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Russia Urges US To Stop Cuba Embargo
the ghost:
Did those same relatives tell about what the Japanese did there? Makes anything the USG could think of look nice in comparison. Just saying if you want to find bad in things you will. Find me anyone in the PI that thinks they would have been better off with out the USG.
Now that being said I know that you already know these things Rugged monk. You bring a lot of knowledge in your posts. I only bring that up because I tire of people who want perfection in all things. You may argue that the USG imposing its will on others in a bad thing and there have been many instances of the USG doing bad things, but I only ask you to imagine what if the USG did nothing..... thats a little different right?
Low Key:
--- Quote from: Rugged Monk: the one man renaissance. on November 18, 2008, 04:43:44 AM ---True, true, its a politically incorrect statement.
--- Quote from: Low Key on November 17, 2008, 07:45:11 PM ---
Why are you trying to tell me about America when I live in the country and you don't?
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I just found that bizarre tho, when the terms 'USA' and 'Coca-cola' are probably the most widely recognised worldwide across all languages, when anything happens in the US (let alone what the US does outside the US) we all can't avoid hearing about it and being affected by it in some way how could people outside the country not be entitled to an opinion on the United States of America.
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Please, I emplore you, as part of the international community, to express your opinion on American policy. I just asked a question as to why London is trying to give me an education on American history when I already know a good majority of it. In my experience outside of this website, there have been many citizens who don't live in America, yet constantly try to convey they know more than I do about my own country and how it should be run. Rather than arguing about who knows more about this or that, I think it would be far more beneficial to discuss how to fix the problem. We might not agree on every issue, but at least it's something other than bickering, which is something I detest.
--- Quote ---Whenever the USG does anything (contra-terrorist funding, destruction of democratically elected governments, supporting dictators who boil their opponents alive in vats of hot oil such as the Uzbekistan regime although an ally in the 'war on terror' so recieved $500 million in US grants in 2002) its not necessarily your fault you don't hear about it only until its totally unavoidable, its more the media's fault and the government for having a natural, understandable aversion to its own nasty shit like a hit and run driver. Theres so much the USG does and you would never know about it unless you were outside the US. I was just talking to some relatives in the Philippines who were telling me about the sites where the US used to have military bases in the 80s (huge swathes of land 100s of kilometres of ex-naval base land) where the bases used to be the land is now so toxic nothing grows and kids are born with deformities, but you will never hear these little testimonies in the local filipino media let alone the US media. So being inside the US will not provide you with the same perspective on the US as say the Uzbeki man in the boiling pot or the local filo kid living on the land that used to be US Fort Bonafacio.
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There are so many anti-government conspirators inside our country that those who regularly follow politics, such as myself, eventually hears or reads about what America is doing in other countries. As a counterpoint, there are also those who will use any excuse they can to whine and complain about any type of injustice, as frivolous as it may seem. We all know how horrible the fallout of war can be, even in ally countries like the Phillipines where we had bases. But the fact of the matter is, unless there is another form of political party or complete reform of current administrating bodies in America, no one will care, even Barak Obama. The war ended many decades ago, and neither republcans or democrats who have been in power since have addressed any of these issues. We, as a nation, are more caught up in how fucked up the government can be to it's own constituants than with the injustices they cause around the world. We should know and care about what is happening outside of our own country, but when the American government decides to do something, they go all out, causing major harm within our own society which needs to be addressed as well, so that is all the average American is informed about.
As far as the Uzbekistan situation goes, every country has been an ally at some point in time with other countries that do or has done dispicable things, even Australia and England. Every single superpower and/or first world nation has turned a blind eye to smaller countries who take part in that sort of stuff if it helps their cause. I'm certainly not advocating such misdeeds, but pointing fingers at America for things like that is hypocritical. The only solace I can give you is that the Iraq War has almost come to a close and no more blood money will be given.
Rugged Monk:
I can imagine many many instances in history (and i bet you probably can too) where it would of been better if the US did nothing at all....Its not that i want perfection in all things; its just we should hold high aspirations for what we can be.
"...I never rejected him inspite of all his imperfections...I'm a humanist. Maybe the last humanist."
-Satan, played by Al Pacino, the devil's advocate
LONDON!!:
--- Quote from: Low Key on November 17, 2008, 07:45:11 PM ---
--- Quote from: LONDON!! on November 17, 2008, 06:39:20 AM ---
--- Quote from: Low Key on November 16, 2008, 06:23:36 PM ---Russia and America still don't see eye to eye. Nuking the world would be a very bad idea so both countries are more diplomatic, but don't pretend everyone gets along now.
I can still buy up to 2 boxes of Cuban cigars legally by way companies outside of the US, and now both countries trade agricultural and medical necessities on a wide scale. Cuba isn't trying to aim missles at us anymore so I don't really care what happens with the embargo, I just think Russia needs to mind their own business.
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i do care about that childish and evil embargo that only effects cuban brothers and sisters trying to survive and take care of there family's on the ground, the general population, no one else, i care deeply about that, an embargo put on them just because Castro stopped a handful of foreigners to stop stealing Cuba's resources
relations wit the US and Russia were very good after they squashed there cold war beef, Russia respected and looked up to US in a certain way certain times, things all changed when Bush came to power and saw this as a weakness(in his warmongering eyes, being peaceful is a weakness, yeah right) on Russia parts and started to surround Russia wit missle plans and capture all the resources surrounding Russia in central Asia, Georgia was the last straw for Russia and they put there foot down in face of Bush's intimidation and called his bluff
hopefully Obama can calm things down now and stop another cold war because i can't see a nuclear war popin off anytime soon, i can't see that happening at all, fingers crossed
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Why are you trying to tell me about America when I live in the country and you don't?
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i'll talk on that evil, childish embargo all day, everyday, thats standard
i'll break down how i see it is on this planet, from my viewpoint, all day, everday, because its a free world, its nuthin
lastly of all, i'm a international brother, my community is borderless, whoever sits in that white house, affects the world globally, my viewpoint is global in everything i do and in the way i roll, truss me on that
anyone can take that however you want to take it, its a free world, i couldn't give a shit, our always break down the truth how i see it, from my viewpoint and the way i see shit
Low Key:
--- Quote from: LONDON!! on November 22, 2008, 11:50:45 AM ---
--- Quote from: Low Key on November 17, 2008, 07:45:11 PM ---
--- Quote from: LONDON!! on November 17, 2008, 06:39:20 AM ---
--- Quote from: Low Key on November 16, 2008, 06:23:36 PM ---Russia and America still don't see eye to eye. Nuking the world would be a very bad idea so both countries are more diplomatic, but don't pretend everyone gets along now.
I can still buy up to 2 boxes of Cuban cigars legally by way companies outside of the US, and now both countries trade agricultural and medical necessities on a wide scale. Cuba isn't trying to aim missles at us anymore so I don't really care what happens with the embargo, I just think Russia needs to mind their own business.
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i do care about that childish and evil embargo that only effects cuban brothers and sisters trying to survive and take care of there family's on the ground, the general population, no one else, i care deeply about that, an embargo put on them just because Castro stopped a handful of foreigners to stop stealing Cuba's resources
relations wit the US and Russia were very good after they squashed there cold war beef, Russia respected and looked up to US in a certain way certain times, things all changed when Bush came to power and saw this as a weakness(in his warmongering eyes, being peaceful is a weakness, yeah right) on Russia parts and started to surround Russia wit missle plans and capture all the resources surrounding Russia in central Asia, Georgia was the last straw for Russia and they put there foot down in face of Bush's intimidation and called his bluff
hopefully Obama can calm things down now and stop another cold war because i can't see a nuclear war popin off anytime soon, i can't see that happening at all, fingers crossed
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Why are you trying to tell me about America when I live in the country and you don't?
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i'll talk on that evil, childish embargo all day, everyday, thats standard
i'll break down how i see it is on this planet, from my viewpoint, all day, everday, because its a free world, its nuthin
lastly of all, i'm a international brother, my community is borderless, whoever sits in that white house, affects the world globally, my viewpoint is global in everything i do and in the way i roll, truss me on that
anyone can take that however you want to take it, its a free world, i couldn't give a shit, our always break down the truth how i see it, from my viewpoint and the way i see shit
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As I expressed to Rugged Monk, your opinion wasn't what bothered me. You are perfectly entitled to your opinion, just as I am to mine. But what I don't need is a history lesson about a subject I already learned in school. Let's get past this BS and talk about solutions to the problem rather than just talking about the problem itself.
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