The truth is coming out...Mike D'Antoni's system made players look twice as good

[Now_Im_Not_Banned]

It's just a faulty system and there's no way any team can ever win a championship with pure offense. no matter how "close" they came, the team overachieved in the regular season and was defeated by tactical coaches come playoff time EVERY SINGLE TIME...clearly, your example is not the same...D'Antoni's unique system unquestionably boosted stats, which caused players on the team to be ranked much higher than their worth by ignorant fans. James Jones, Tim Thomas, Jim Jackson, Kurt Thomas...more muthafuckaz who's career diminished after leaving Phoenix.


It's happening all over again in New York.

TRADE HARRINGTON FOR LEBRON AND DAVID LEE FOR BOSH AND DUHON FOR CP3 WHILE THEYRE VALUES ARE STILL HIGH!!!

LOL..but for real though,, notice how all three of the players you just mentioned have an increased value since playing for the system.

[OG Hack Wilson]

why do you hate Dantoni if he makes people into stars?


btw- nash is alot older now

[Now_Im_Not_Banned]

So do you think the Suns would have won a couple Championships with Porter as their coach during 04-07? I certainly don't. The Celtics almost got upset by the "much weaker" Hawks. The Lakers got upset by the "much weaker" Pistons. The Mavericks got upset by the "much weaker" Warriors. The Lakers got kicked out of the arena by the "weaker" Celtics.

No matter how you slice it, the Suns were not as much of a failure as you make em out to be, and neither is the system, if you use it with the right players. Not all players excel in serious half court basketball. Would you rather just plain suck and never win a title, or be critically acclaimed, sell-out arenas, get MVP trophies, have 60+win seasons, go deep into the playoffs and never win a title? I'd pick the latter.

Either way, you should check yourself cause all it took for you to write entire passages in caps and to tell me that you are "highly disappointed" was me being just as condescending as you regularly are.

Again, the Suns were picked to win the west and even the championship on several occasions. How were they not a failure? They had the "MVP", "Most Improved Player", "6th Man", 2 "All-NBA 1st-Team", "All-NBA 3rd-Team", etc. etc.

What are you trying to disagree with? The fact that the Suns system makes players appear to be better or the fact that it's not a good system?? LOL

[Now_Im_Not_Banned]

why do you hate Dantoni if he makes people into stars?


btw- nash is alot older now

He doesn't make them into stars...he makes them appear as stars. You really think Nash is a back-to-back MVP? If he is, the league is truly sad. It's an illusion.

[GangstaBoogy]

So if the triangle is a good system that makes teams winning and players succeed, do those players actually suck because they are executing a system that is designed that way?

Honestly, yes.

Look at Smush Parker, Kwame Brown, Brian Cook, and Devean George now. I was a huge advocate of Luke Walton a few years ago but to be real theres no way in hell he would've ever averaged 15/5/5 on another team. Hell you can even add Gasol to that list, look at how much his field goal percentage was boosted by after he came to the Lakers. Playing with a great player (Kobe, Nash) in a team offense will ALWAYS benefit the guys around them. I can understand why some people don't like D'antoni's system but it was effective. Wouly you rather win 60 games every year and lose in the conference finals or know that after the 82nd game it was time for summer break?

[Now_Im_Not_Banned]

^To tell you the truth, I'd rather miss the playoffs and get a lottery pick (ala Andrew Bynum) than make the playoffs and flop...

[tempo2]

making the west finals is not a fluke no matter how you try and explain it. i agree that during the regular season they were better than in the playoffs but they were still bettter than 95% of the league, and i say it again 29 other teams didnt win the title either.

[Now_Im_Not_Banned]

making the west finals is not a fluke no matter how you try and explain it. i agree that during the regular season they were better than in the playoffs but they were still bettter than 95% of the league, and i say it again 29 other teams didnt win the title either.

29 other teams weren't predicted to win the title...get it?

[Kool Beenz]

Suns were always garbage

[7even]

What are you trying to disagree with? The fact that the Suns system makes players appear to be better or the fact that it's not a good system?? LOL

1) You put it too negatively. Players look better, yes. But how is that negative? They excel better in that system. Not everyone does, of course. Would you rather be a bum and never win anything or be "Most Improved", get a nice contract and go to the West Finals?
The fact that the system inflates the numbers is not lost on anyone. If the team averages by far the most points, of course their stats inflate, that is really simple logic that does not have to be "acknowledged" to be proven noticed.

2) How good the system is depends on the players and the franchise you use it with. As for the Suns or the Knicks, it was/is a good system.

^To tell you the truth, I'd rather miss the playoffs and get a lottery pick (ala Andrew Bynum) than make the playoffs and flop...

That's because you are a spoiled Laker-Fan, who is all about his franchise building dynasties and winning titles. The Suns are not.

[tempo2]

in none of the m years when phoenix were winning 50+ games were they classed as the favourites going into the season, the likes of detroit and san antonio and even dallas were classed as the favourites back then. If anything phoenix over-achieved not under-achieved.

[Antonio]

YALL WERE FOOLED...

[Now_Im_Not_Banned]

in none of the m years when phoenix were winning 50+ games were they classed as the favourites going into the season, the likes of detroit and san antonio and even dallas were classed as the favourites back then. If anything phoenix over-achieved not under-achieved.

naah, man...the suns were picked to win the west by many and even the championship by some.

[Now_Im_Not_Banned]

What are you trying to disagree with? The fact that the Suns system makes players appear to be better or the fact that it's not a good system?? LOL

1) You put it too negatively. Players look better, yes. But how is that negative? They excel better in that system. Not everyone does, of course. Would you rather be a bum and never win anything or be "Most Improved", get a nice contract and go to the West Finals?
The fact that the system inflates the numbers is not lost on anyone. If the team averages by far the most points, of course their stats inflate, that is really simple logic that does not have to be "acknowledged" to be proven noticed.

2) How good the system is depends on the players and the franchise you use it with. As for the Suns or the Knicks, it was/is a good system.

^To tell you the truth, I'd rather miss the playoffs and get a lottery pick (ala Andrew Bynum) than make the playoffs and flop...

That's because you are a spoiled Laker-Fan, who is all about his franchise building dynasties and winning titles. The Suns are not.

The fact that it inflates their stats is the reason they win MVPS and Most Improved Players...dont you get it? not because they ARE the MVP or Most Improved Player material, but because it creates a FALSE illusion brought upon by the inflated stats...you think it's a good thing that the stats are inflated? THE REASON THE STATS ARE INFLATED IS LARGELY IN PART TO THEM PLAYING NO DEFENSE. Not only are their stats inflated, but so are the stats of the opponents they play against...HOW CAN THAT BE A GOOD THING? Creating false illusions for not only yourself, but for your opponents as well...There's a reason players have their biggest nights statisticwise against teams like the Suns, Warriors, and now the Knicks...PeACe

[7even]

The Suns would probably have been worse with another system. It's that simple.