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FUCK IRAN...
Jared Taylor:
--- Quote from: virtuoso on January 07, 2009, 02:02:58 PM ---They supply the water to them because they were the occupiers of their land, but when they go after the water and electricity supplies to undermine and overthrow Hamas then they are engaging in terrorism.
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That avoids the key issue - why should Israel supply water and power to them in the FIRST PLACE if these fucking Arab scumbags aren't doing anything except firing rockets at them? Furthermore, why is it that the Palestinians themselves have attacked the same fuel plant that gave them power? I'm pretty sure countries at war don't give water and fuel to their enemies at all in most cases. The fact that Israel does reflects quite well on them.
--- Quote from: virtuoso on January 07, 2009, 02:02:58 PM ---However Israel don't engage in terrorism, no, according to your simple minded interpretation...
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I dunno about that, but at least Israel isn't trying to set up some radical Islamic fascist state on the land. Instead, they've built a thriving democracy where Arabs are welcome as fellow Israelis (something I would never do myself). Can you imagine such a thing existing if the Palestinians got their way? I sure can't.
Seriously, why do the Palestinians even DESERVE to have their own country? We all know what it would be like - it would be some Islamic fascist country where Jews would not be welcome, and would almost surely be reduced to dhimmis or (worse) wiped out. Do we really need another Arab autocracy in the Middle East? Between an Islamist Palestine and a democratic Israel, I prefer the latter.
--- Quote from: virtuoso on January 07, 2009, 02:02:58 PM ---A terrorist is a muslim extremist "who hates our freedoms"
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No, a terrorist is someone who kills innocent people, laughs about it, CELEBRATES it the way the Palestinians do. All in the name of setting up some totalitarian state where there is no freedom. How you find ANY moral equivalence between the Israelis and Hamas is just beyond me, but it's a peculiarly European tendency.
--- Quote from: virtuoso on January 07, 2009, 02:02:58 PM ---Oh and you can't have both ways, by using people as human shields which the IDF accuses of them doing so, then they are making the people hostages, so in fact the analogy is sound.
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But Hamas isn't "using" these people. That's the truth you refuse to face. Hamas is a very large organization with thousands of fighters. An organization that large can't move around, conduct operations, and survive without the support of a large segment of the Gazan population. The Palestinians aren't hostages because they share Hamas' goals, they voted Hamas into power, and most of them have a seething racist, anti-Semitic hatred of Jews that their enemies do NOT have.
Really, I will never figure out why anyone would sympathize with the Palestinians. Of all the so-called "oppressed" people in the world, they're by far the most violent and depraved, and in my opinion, the least worthy of anyone's sympathy. Then again, I suppose it's fair to note that it's only the radical student leftists in Europe who support them. The other Arab countries have shitted on them for as long as the Israelis have. But of course, it's Israel and America that get 100% of the hatred.
Furor Teutonicus:
I'm partially with Taylor here. Israel has every right to bomb Palestina. They always throw the first rock, and Israel has every right to defend their people. Only imagine that your government would tolerate that they fire rockets at your city on a daily basis. And the rest of the world expects that you protect their water supplies. But I can understand the anger in the Arabic world, they conrtolled this land for 100s of years, then they were surpressed by british invaders, and now they expect that these people accept that Jews should control 'their" country, only because their former surpressors/the western countries say so. How can you expect that his works out?
Of course it's a tragedy for the people, and calling them 'Arabic scumbag' is :grumpy:
I think the majority of them would rather live in peace with Israel instead of living in a warzone. It's just that those people have no voice in these countries.
But the question is: What's the purpose of these bombings? There will never be peace anyway. When they bomb these people just to retailiate, they only increase the urge of revenge.
They can't eliminate Hamas, and even if they could, other radical organisations would take over.
Sorry but one of them has to go, this is the only solution. But if they deport all Palestinians, Israel would still be surrounded by hostile nations. It's clear that tey're not welcome in the Arabic world. So why not give them their own territory in Europe, the Fench have more than they need anyway. Or in America. They just have to shit on their roots, but that's a fair price compared to living in danger and hate if you ask me.
The problem with you guys is that you only can see black or white, but you need to look from both perspectives. Neither the Palestinians nor the Israelis are saints, but at the end of the day, it's not Israels fault. It's just that their current government is very awkward and incompetent.
Elano:
virtuoso chill for a minute god dammit
virtuoso:
Richard Falk reported that on November 4th Israel broke the ceasefire which then led to the palestinians responding. You decided to ignore that bit and talk about the history of the past few years but of course that to is riddled with bs and spin. I could go back and forth with you on that score, like the murder of the family on the Gaza beach which was then initially denied, admitted that it might have been the IDF and finally admitted that okay it was us but what can you do, it's only Palestinians.
As for the above poster talking about the prospect of "deporting the palestinians", another few words for that, are ethnic cleansing, it's amazing how the alteration of a few words suddenly conjures up a completely different image isn't it.
Furor Teutonicus:
--- Quote from: virtuoso on January 08, 2009, 06:13:03 AM ---
As for the above poster talking about the prospect of "deporting the palestinians", another few words for that, are ethnic cleansing, it's amazing how the alteration of a few words suddenly conjures up a completely different image isn't it.
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Sorry but my vocab is limited to Nazi terminology. Damn it sucks to be German, I don't want to think like that, but I'm determined to do so.
The best solution would be when one of them moves voluntarily, or they'll have to live with bloodshed forever. Seems like both sides prefer it, so let them do what they want to. People are fighting for the Holy Land for over 1000 years, what would the world be without it? Let them kill each other, then we can sell some weapons and everything is fine.
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