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FUCK IRAN...
Jared Taylor:
--- Quote from: virtuoso on January 08, 2009, 06:13:03 AM ---Richard Falk reported that on November 4th Israel broke the ceasefire which then led to the palestinians responding.
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What? What has Hamas been doing almost since the ceasefire went into effect?
Jared Taylor:
--- Quote from: Dr. Ján Ïtor on January 08, 2009, 01:40:55 AM ---But the question is: What's the purpose of these bombings? There will never be peace anyway. When they bomb these people just to retailiate, they only increase the urge of revenge.
They can't eliminate Hamas, and even if they could, other radical organisations would take over.
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The purpose? Pretty simple. Bush is about to leave office, and the Israelis think Obama won't let them get away with the same shit (not that I believe this is true, but they seem to). So they're trying to this now while they figure it'll get the least resistance from D.C.
Defeating Hamas isn't possible, but they know enough about the leadership that they can kill off most of the group's most senior members and experienced operators. The rest, they hope, will fall to Fatah to take care of. Hamas will be weak for a few years, and Fatah might just able to re-assert control in Gaza. Of course, Hamas will inevitably come back in the long-term, and probably be tougher than ever, but Israeli CI doctrine has always focused on the short-term strategy (which is why they used to fund Hamas in the first place), which is part of what makes it all so stupid.
Then again, I'm not sure there's a better option.
King Tech Quadafi:
--- Quote from: Jared Taylor on January 07, 2009, 05:28:42 PM ---
--- Quote from: virtuoso on January 07, 2009, 02:02:58 PM ---They supply the water to them because they were the occupiers of their land, but when they go after the water and electricity supplies to undermine and overthrow Hamas then they are engaging in terrorism.
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That avoids the key issue - why should Israel supply water and power to them in the FIRST PLACE if these fucking Arab scumbags aren't doing anything except firing rockets at them? Furthermore, why is it that the Palestinians themselves have attacked the same fuel plant that gave them power? I'm pretty sure countries at war don't give water and fuel to their enemies at all in most cases. The fact that Israel does reflects quite well on them.
--- Quote from: virtuoso on January 07, 2009, 02:02:58 PM ---However Israel don't engage in terrorism, no, according to your simple minded interpretation...
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I dunno about that, but at least Israel isn't trying to set up some radical Islamic fascist state on the land. Instead, they've built a thriving democracy where Arabs are welcome as fellow Israelis (something I would never do myself). Can you imagine such a thing existing if the Palestinians got their way? I sure can't.
Seriously, why do the Palestinians even DESERVE to have their own country? We all know what it would be like - it would be some Islamic fascist country where Jews would not be welcome, and would almost surely be reduced to dhimmis or (worse) wiped out. Do we really need another Arab autocracy in the Middle East? Between an Islamist Palestine and a democratic Israel, I prefer the latter.
--- Quote from: virtuoso on January 07, 2009, 02:02:58 PM ---A terrorist is a muslim extremist "who hates our freedoms"
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No, a terrorist is someone who kills innocent people, laughs about it, CELEBRATES it the way the Palestinians do. All in the name of setting up some totalitarian state where there is no freedom. How you find ANY moral equivalence between the Israelis and Hamas is just beyond me, but it's a peculiarly European tendency.
--- Quote from: virtuoso on January 07, 2009, 02:02:58 PM ---Oh and you can't have both ways, by using people as human shields which the IDF accuses of them doing so, then they are making the people hostages, so in fact the analogy is sound.
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But Hamas isn't "using" these people. That's the truth you refuse to face. Hamas is a very large organization with thousands of fighters. An organization that large can't move around, conduct operations, and survive without the support of a large segment of the Gazan population. The Palestinians aren't hostages because they share Hamas' goals, they voted Hamas into power, and most of them have a seething racist, anti-Semitic hatred of Jews that their enemies do NOT have.
Really, I will never figure out why anyone would sympathize with the Palestinians. Of all the so-called "oppressed" people in the world, they're by far the most violent and depraved, and in my opinion, the least worthy of anyone's sympathy. Then again, I suppose it's fair to note that it's only the radical student leftists in Europe who support them. The other Arab countries have shitted on them for as long as the Israelis have. But of course, it's Israel and America that get 100% of the hatred.
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sweetheart
dont try to kick knowledge. keep being the entertaining shock poster that you are, otherwise some big boy might take you serious and kick you out the sand box
Jared Taylor:
--- Quote from: King Tech Quadafi on January 08, 2009, 07:53:43 PM ---sweetheart
dont try to kick knowledge. keep being the entertaining shock poster that you are, otherwise some big boy might take you serious and kick you out the sand box
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The White Man gives you permission to speak.
King Tech Quadafi:
--- Quote from: Jared Taylor on January 08, 2009, 01:28:49 PM ---The purpose? Pretty simple. Bush is about to leave office, and the Israelis think Obama won't let them get away with the same shit (not that I believe this is true, but they seem to). So they're trying to this now while they figure it'll get the least resistance from D.C.
Defeating Hamas isn't possible, but they know enough about the leadership that they can kill off most of the group's most senior members and experienced operators. The rest, they hope, will fall to Fatah to take care of. Hamas will be weak for a few years, and Fatah might just able to re-assert control in Gaza. Of course, Hamas will inevitably come back in the long-term, and probably be tougher than ever, but Israeli CI doctrine has always focused on the short-term strategy (which is why they used to fund Hamas in the first place), which is part of what makes it all so stupid.
Then again, I'm not sure there's a better option.
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smh
Crackerdamus, easy on the predictions. Your crystal ball is about accurate as a dick cheney shot
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