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LeBron is not the MVP...
Now_Im_Not_Banned:
--- Quote from: teecee on March 20, 2009, 11:15:41 AM ---
--- Quote from: Now_I_Know on March 20, 2009, 11:11:38 AM ---
--- Quote from: teecee on March 19, 2009, 06:51:37 PM ---
--- Quote from: Now_I_Know on March 19, 2009, 05:09:38 PM ---
--- Quote from: teecee on March 19, 2009, 03:11:26 PM ---
--- Quote from: Now_I_Know on March 19, 2009, 11:58:04 AM ---
--- Quote from: teecee on March 19, 2009, 10:00:47 AM ---If Kobe was on the Cavs, hje would shoot every fucking time cuz he wouldn't trust anyone so he would shoot about 42 %, average 37ppg, but like 3 assists max. Lebron's PPG would go down to 25ppg on the Lakers, but he'd get over 10 assists a game.
Imagine Lebron on the Lakers? SICKNESS. Imagine Kobe on the Cavs? It would be Lakers from three or 4 seasons ago?
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Kobe would improve every player on the Cavs and would have more assists than he does now, cuz the plays would be ran through him a lot more often in that type of system ala LeBron. if you think he'd shoot 42% and average 3 assits then you simply don't know Kobe's game. LeBron would be lost within a system like the triangle and his game wouldn't look nearly as dynamic as it does in Clevelands free-lancing offense...LOL@your lack of basketball knowledge. "Kobe on the Cavs would suck...LeBron on LA would be SICKNESS!" LMFAO. :grumpy:
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Dogg, I know the Triangle quite well being as I was a devoted Bulls fan. While the triangle is restricting in some ways, Kobe is still far and away the focal point. He brings the ball up often, and much of the play is fascillitated through him, as it was with Jordan. I think LBJ would be great in the triangle due to his court sense and passing ability (even you, with your "lack of basketball knowledge" would know its superior to Kobe's passing). If Lebron was playing with Gasol and Odom, it would be lights out for the rest of the league. If Kobe was in the Cavs system, he would run away with the scoring title, but would shoot the ball every time as he wouldn't trust his teammates (sim,ilar to when he went for 35 a game a few years ago). Its not like Lebron doesn't make his team better. Guys LOVE playing with him because he trusts thenm and finds the open man.
Either way, who the fuck brought up this ridiculous "if" scenario? Who cares, Lebron is on Cavs, people (i.e. obsessive Kobe fans) do all they do to descredit him, and to me it is just ODD.
Can't we just all agree that NOONE thought the CAvs would be where they are right now, and that Lebron has improved his game (outside shot? better, stil lwork to do. Defense? much better. crazy effort. clutch? he's been good, best player in the last 5 mins. of games in the last two years.)
Kobe fans almost know Lebron is a lock and that Kobe doesn't have a chance as of now, hence the support for Wade.
Its going to end like this. Lebron, Wade, and Kobe in third. All having GREAT seasons, but Kobe is the only one who isn't taking his team to a level noone expected.
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First of all, shooting 45% is good for a guard (especially considering the amount of threes Kobe shot that season)...second of all, Kobe has better passes than LeBron, so stop acting like it's a fact that LeBron is a "better passer"...LeBron gets more assists cuz the ball is in his hands 99% of the time, and while Kobe IS the focal point of the offense, not every play is ran through him. I honestly think that if LeBron was on the Lakers that it would be a toss-up between him and Gasol as to who's the focal point to the success of the team. the reason Kobe hasn't taken the Lakers to a level unexpected is because people are already used to expecting amazing things from #24...and that's the real. The main reason LeBron wouldn't flourish in the triangle is because he is not a fundemantal player...his game relies on athleticism, and that's perfect for a team with a free-lancing offense, but put him in a system like the triangle and you'd see exactly what I mean...PeACe
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The only thing not fiundamental about LBj is his jumper, other than that he is straight. Don't hold it against him that he is freakishly strong and agile for his size. And maybe Kobe doesn't get the ball in his hands as much as LBJ, but that doesn't stop your boy from being in the league in field goal attempts, does it?!! Simply put, if he was on the Cavs, he should shoot ALOT more. Its a good thing Kobe plays in the sysstem he does,as it forces him to play a little bit aof a team game. Yo
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Kobe doesn't need to be forced to do anything, his game is adaptable, he's just THAT good. he's not LeBron status, man, get over it. there's a reason it took Kobe to win a gold in the USA games...LOL.
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THere is a reason it took Lebron and D-Wade to get them there as well.
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LeBron and Wade went for a bronze medal without Kobe to lead the way and set the tone on both ends.
.:DaYg0sTyLz:.:
--- Quote from: Now_I_Know on March 20, 2009, 11:09:41 AM ---
--- Quote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on March 19, 2009, 05:23:56 PM ---
--- Quote from: Now_I_Know on March 19, 2009, 05:09:38 PM ---
--- Quote from: teecee on March 19, 2009, 03:11:26 PM ---
--- Quote from: Now_I_Know on March 19, 2009, 11:58:04 AM ---
--- Quote from: teecee on March 19, 2009, 10:00:47 AM ---If Kobe was on the Cavs, hje would shoot every fucking time cuz he wouldn't trust anyone so he would shoot about 42 %, average 37ppg, but like 3 assists max. Lebron's PPG would go down to 25ppg on the Lakers, but he'd get over 10 assists a game.
Imagine Lebron on the Lakers? SICKNESS. Imagine Kobe on the Cavs? It would be Lakers from three or 4 seasons ago?
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Kobe would improve every player on the Cavs and would have more assists than he does now, cuz the plays would be ran through him a lot more often in that type of system ala LeBron. if you think he'd shoot 42% and average 3 assits then you simply don't know Kobe's game. LeBron would be lost within a system like the triangle and his game wouldn't look nearly as dynamic as it does in Clevelands free-lancing offense...LOL@your lack of basketball knowledge. "Kobe on the Cavs would suck...LeBron on LA would be SICKNESS!" LMFAO. :grumpy:
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Dogg, I know the Triangle quite well being as I was a devoted Bulls fan. While the triangle is restricting in some ways, Kobe is still far and away the focal point. He brings the ball up often, and much of the play is fascillitated through him, as it was with Jordan. I think LBJ would be great in the triangle due to his court sense and passing ability (even you, with your "lack of basketball knowledge" would know its superior to Kobe's passing). If Lebron was playing with Gasol and Odom, it would be lights out for the rest of the league. If Kobe was in the Cavs system, he would run away with the scoring title, but would shoot the ball every time as he wouldn't trust his teammates (sim,ilar to when he went for 35 a game a few years ago). Its not like Lebron doesn't make his team better. Guys LOVE playing with him because he trusts thenm and finds the open man.
Either way, who the fuck brought up this ridiculous "if" scenario? Who cares, Lebron is on Cavs, people (i.e. obsessive Kobe fans) do all they do to descredit him, and to me it is just ODD.
Can't we just all agree that NOONE thought the CAvs would be where they are right now, and that Lebron has improved his game (outside shot? better, stil lwork to do. Defense? much better. crazy effort. clutch? he's been good, best player in the last 5 mins. of games in the last two years.)
Kobe fans almost know Lebron is a lock and that Kobe doesn't have a chance as of now, hence the support for Wade.
Its going to end like this. Lebron, Wade, and Kobe in third. All having GREAT seasons, but Kobe is the only one who isn't taking his team to a level noone expected.
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I honestly think that if LeBron was on the Lakers that it would be a toss-up between him and Gasol as to who's the focal point to the success of the team.
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lol makes sense..
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how does that not make sense, moron? you might not agree with it, but it makes perfect sense...even right now, there are games where Gasol is the focal point of the Lakers' offense. if LeBron was playing in the triangle, there's no doubt in my mind that him and Gasol would hold around the same amount of importance as each other in that system.
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Lebron:
PPG 28.6
Reb 7.6
Asts 7.3
Eff. 30.96
Kobe:
PPG 27.7
Reb 5.4
Asts 4.9
Eff. 24.81
Obviously Lebron is the focal point of his team, is the MVP right now, and would be the focal point of the Lakers if he played there. Arguing that Lebron and Gasol would be equal on the Lakers is without a doubt one of your stupider arguments. And that means a lot man, cus youve had more stupid arguments then anyone in this boards history. Damn NIK, theres no way youre really this dumb lol
Now_Im_Not_Banned:
--- Quote from: teecee on March 20, 2009, 11:17:59 AM ---
--- Quote from: Now_I_Know on March 20, 2009, 11:09:41 AM ---
--- Quote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on March 19, 2009, 05:23:56 PM ---
--- Quote from: Now_I_Know on March 19, 2009, 05:09:38 PM ---
--- Quote from: teecee on March 19, 2009, 03:11:26 PM ---
--- Quote from: Now_I_Know on March 19, 2009, 11:58:04 AM ---
--- Quote from: teecee on March 19, 2009, 10:00:47 AM ---If Kobe was on the Cavs, hje would shoot every fucking time cuz he wouldn't trust anyone so he would shoot about 42 %, average 37ppg, but like 3 assists max. Lebron's PPG would go down to 25ppg on the Lakers, but he'd get over 10 assists a game.
Imagine Lebron on the Lakers? SICKNESS. Imagine Kobe on the Cavs? It would be Lakers from three or 4 seasons ago?
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Kobe would improve every player on the Cavs and would have more assists than he does now, cuz the plays would be ran through him a lot more often in that type of system ala LeBron. if you think he'd shoot 42% and average 3 assits then you simply don't know Kobe's game. LeBron would be lost within a system like the triangle and his game wouldn't look nearly as dynamic as it does in Clevelands free-lancing offense...LOL@your lack of basketball knowledge. "Kobe on the Cavs would suck...LeBron on LA would be SICKNESS!" LMFAO. :grumpy:
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Dogg, I know the Triangle quite well being as I was a devoted Bulls fan. While the triangle is restricting in some ways, Kobe is still far and away the focal point. He brings the ball up often, and much of the play is fascillitated through him, as it was with Jordan. I think LBJ would be great in the triangle due to his court sense and passing ability (even you, with your "lack of basketball knowledge" would know its superior to Kobe's passing). If Lebron was playing with Gasol and Odom, it would be lights out for the rest of the league. If Kobe was in the Cavs system, he would run away with the scoring title, but would shoot the ball every time as he wouldn't trust his teammates (sim,ilar to when he went for 35 a game a few years ago). Its not like Lebron doesn't make his team better. Guys LOVE playing with him because he trusts thenm and finds the open man.
Either way, who the fuck brought up this ridiculous "if" scenario? Who cares, Lebron is on Cavs, people (i.e. obsessive Kobe fans) do all they do to descredit him, and to me it is just ODD.
Can't we just all agree that NOONE thought the CAvs would be where they are right now, and that Lebron has improved his game (outside shot? better, stil lwork to do. Defense? much better. crazy effort. clutch? he's been good, best player in the last 5 mins. of games in the last two years.)
Kobe fans almost know Lebron is a lock and that Kobe doesn't have a chance as of now, hence the support for Wade.
Its going to end like this. Lebron, Wade, and Kobe in third. All having GREAT seasons, but Kobe is the only one who isn't taking his team to a level noone expected.
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I honestly think that if LeBron was on the Lakers that it would be a toss-up between him and Gasol as to who's the focal point to the success of the team.
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lol makes sense..
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how does that not make sense, moron? you might not agree with it, but it makes perfect sense...even right now, there are games where Gasol is the focal point of the Lakers' offense. if LeBron was playing in the triangle, there's no doubt in my mind that him and Gasol would hold around the same amount of importance as each other in that system.
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Anything to discredit anyone who rivals Kobe. Why is that? Lebron is an ELITE level player, on pace to be one of the best of all time. To say he couldn't adapt to any system is ignorant. Lebron's top asset is his court sense and using his teammates, so how wouldn't he work in the triangle? QUit reaching NIK, Lebron has narrowed the gap and is only going to get better. Deal with it
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how is it ignorant to say he wouldn't flourish in a structured system when he's never played in one? LOL. wow, man...you're something else. get off LeBron's nuts, foreal. he DOES NOT have an all-around fundamentally exceptional game. this is well known, bro. he's good, an elite level player, but he's marketed as an all-time great while he still has a ways to go...that's all there is to it. LeBron's best asset is not his so-called "court sernse", it's drawing double-teams due to strength and dishing it out to the open man...LOL. when people try to hype him as a player with court-sense like Magic, that shit just sickens me.
Now_Im_Not_Banned:
--- Quote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on March 20, 2009, 11:21:01 AM ---
--- Quote from: Now_I_Know on March 20, 2009, 11:09:41 AM ---
--- Quote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on March 19, 2009, 05:23:56 PM ---
--- Quote from: Now_I_Know on March 19, 2009, 05:09:38 PM ---
--- Quote from: teecee on March 19, 2009, 03:11:26 PM ---
--- Quote from: Now_I_Know on March 19, 2009, 11:58:04 AM ---
--- Quote from: teecee on March 19, 2009, 10:00:47 AM ---If Kobe was on the Cavs, hje would shoot every fucking time cuz he wouldn't trust anyone so he would shoot about 42 %, average 37ppg, but like 3 assists max. Lebron's PPG would go down to 25ppg on the Lakers, but he'd get over 10 assists a game.
Imagine Lebron on the Lakers? SICKNESS. Imagine Kobe on the Cavs? It would be Lakers from three or 4 seasons ago?
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Kobe would improve every player on the Cavs and would have more assists than he does now, cuz the plays would be ran through him a lot more often in that type of system ala LeBron. if you think he'd shoot 42% and average 3 assits then you simply don't know Kobe's game. LeBron would be lost within a system like the triangle and his game wouldn't look nearly as dynamic as it does in Clevelands free-lancing offense...LOL@your lack of basketball knowledge. "Kobe on the Cavs would suck...LeBron on LA would be SICKNESS!" LMFAO. :grumpy:
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Dogg, I know the Triangle quite well being as I was a devoted Bulls fan. While the triangle is restricting in some ways, Kobe is still far and away the focal point. He brings the ball up often, and much of the play is fascillitated through him, as it was with Jordan. I think LBJ would be great in the triangle due to his court sense and passing ability (even you, with your "lack of basketball knowledge" would know its superior to Kobe's passing). If Lebron was playing with Gasol and Odom, it would be lights out for the rest of the league. If Kobe was in the Cavs system, he would run away with the scoring title, but would shoot the ball every time as he wouldn't trust his teammates (sim,ilar to when he went for 35 a game a few years ago). Its not like Lebron doesn't make his team better. Guys LOVE playing with him because he trusts thenm and finds the open man.
Either way, who the fuck brought up this ridiculous "if" scenario? Who cares, Lebron is on Cavs, people (i.e. obsessive Kobe fans) do all they do to descredit him, and to me it is just ODD.
Can't we just all agree that NOONE thought the CAvs would be where they are right now, and that Lebron has improved his game (outside shot? better, stil lwork to do. Defense? much better. crazy effort. clutch? he's been good, best player in the last 5 mins. of games in the last two years.)
Kobe fans almost know Lebron is a lock and that Kobe doesn't have a chance as of now, hence the support for Wade.
Its going to end like this. Lebron, Wade, and Kobe in third. All having GREAT seasons, but Kobe is the only one who isn't taking his team to a level noone expected.
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I honestly think that if LeBron was on the Lakers that it would be a toss-up between him and Gasol as to who's the focal point to the success of the team.
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lol makes sense..
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how does that not make sense, moron? you might not agree with it, but it makes perfect sense...even right now, there are games where Gasol is the focal point of the Lakers' offense. if LeBron was playing in the triangle, there's no doubt in my mind that him and Gasol would hold around the same amount of importance as each other in that system.
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Lebron:
PPG 28.6
Reb 7.6
Asts 7.3
Eff. 30.96
Kobe:
PPG 27.7
Reb 5.4
Asts 4.9
Eff. 24.81
Obviously Lebron is the focal point of his team, is the MVP right now, and would be the focal point of the Lakers if he played there. Arguing that Lebron and Gasol would be equal on the Lakers is without a doubt one of your stupider arguments. And that means a lot man, cus youve had more stupid arguments then anyone in this boards history. Damn NIK, theres no way youre really this dumb lol
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you've lost your pass to call anyone dumb, man...seriously. you're the guy who tries to diss people who praise Kobe as a great player. LMAO. you try to make jokes about his game being perfect, as if he's not the best player on the planet. you, my friend, are the epitome of stupidity...and again with the stats...like I said, put Kobe in a position like LeBron's, in a fee-lancing offense with an exceptional defensively structured team, and he'd be scoring 40 a game...LeBron would be lost in the triangle for a while before he even picked it up...and the focal point of the triangle is usually the big man, if you know anything about the offense (which you obviously dont)...thats why Gasol is considered just as (if not more) important than Kobe in a lot of Laker wins. replace Kobe with LeBron, and that number would double (or even triple)...PeACe
teecee:
--- Quote from: Now_I_Know on March 20, 2009, 11:20:08 AM ---
--- Quote from: teecee on March 19, 2009, 06:51:37 PM ---And maybe Kobe doesn't get the ball in his hands as much as LBJ, but that doesn't stop your boy from being in the league in field goal attempts, does it?!!
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actually, it does, mr misinformation.
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what, second? my point is, he attempts more shots than Lebron yet has the ball less. you do the math. Kobe plays a minute and a half less than Lebron per game, but the only stat category (I know, stats don't matter if they don't favour Kobe) that he leads him in is three's, ft's, and attempts per minute and game.
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