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LeBron is not the MVP...
teecee:
NIK, when actual facts don't work in your favour, you start arguing things that aren't real, all the "What-if's" and other scenarios. To call Lebron merely good is retarded and you know it.
We are all getting a chance to watch 4 players have AMAZING seasons this year, three of which are statistically amazing (Paul, Lebron, Wade) and Kobe who is playing possibly playing even better than he was when he went for MVP last year. To call any of these guys "good" as you called Lebron is downright stupid.
There are more players in the league than Kobe. And like it or not, Kobe is peaking while Lebron is just getting started. Enjoy them being relative equals while you can
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--- Quote from: teecee on March 19, 2009, 10:00:47 AM ---If Kobe was on the Cavs, hje would shoot every fucking time cuz he wouldn't trust anyone so he would shoot about 42 %, average 37ppg, but like 3 assists max. Lebron's PPG would go down to 25ppg on the Lakers, but he'd get over 10 assists a game.
Imagine Lebron on the Lakers? SICKNESS. Imagine Kobe on the Cavs? It would be Lakers from three or 4 seasons ago?
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Kobe would improve every player on the Cavs and would have more assists than he does now, cuz the plays would be ran through him a lot more often in that type of system ala LeBron. if you think he'd shoot 42% and average 3 assits then you simply don't know Kobe's game. LeBron would be lost within a system like the triangle and his game wouldn't look nearly as dynamic as it does in Clevelands free-lancing offense...LOL@your lack of basketball knowledge. "Kobe on the Cavs would suck...LeBron on LA would be SICKNESS!" LMFAO. :grumpy:
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Dogg, I know the Triangle quite well being as I was a devoted Bulls fan. While the triangle is restricting in some ways, Kobe is still far and away the focal point. He brings the ball up often, and much of the play is fascillitated through him, as it was with Jordan. I think LBJ would be great in the triangle due to his court sense and passing ability (even you, with your "lack of basketball knowledge" would know its superior to Kobe's passing). If Lebron was playing with Gasol and Odom, it would be lights out for the rest of the league. If Kobe was in the Cavs system, he would run away with the scoring title, but would shoot the ball every time as he wouldn't trust his teammates (sim,ilar to when he went for 35 a game a few years ago). Its not like Lebron doesn't make his team better. Guys LOVE playing with him because he trusts thenm and finds the open man.
Either way, who the fuck brought up this ridiculous "if" scenario? Who cares, Lebron is on Cavs, people (i.e. obsessive Kobe fans) do all they do to descredit him, and to me it is just ODD.
Can't we just all agree that NOONE thought the CAvs would be where they are right now, and that Lebron has improved his game (outside shot? better, stil lwork to do. Defense? much better. crazy effort. clutch? he's been good, best player in the last 5 mins. of games in the last two years.)
Kobe fans almost know Lebron is a lock and that Kobe doesn't have a chance as of now, hence the support for Wade.
Its going to end like this. Lebron, Wade, and Kobe in third. All having GREAT seasons, but Kobe is the only one who isn't taking his team to a level noone expected.
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I honestly think that if LeBron was on the Lakers that it would be a toss-up between him and Gasol as to who's the focal point to the success of the team.
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lol makes sense..
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how does that not make sense, moron? you might not agree with it, but it makes perfect sense...even right now, there are games where Gasol is the focal point of the Lakers' offense. if LeBron was playing in the triangle, there's no doubt in my mind that him and Gasol would hold around the same amount of importance as each other in that system.
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Lebron:
PPG 28.6
Reb 7.6
Asts 7.3
Eff. 30.96
Kobe:
PPG 27.7
Reb 5.4
Asts 4.9
Eff. 24.81
Obviously Lebron is the focal point of his team, is the MVP right now, and would be the focal point of the Lakers if he played there. Arguing that Lebron and Gasol would be equal on the Lakers is without a doubt one of your stupider arguments. And that means a lot man, cus youve had more stupid arguments then anyone in this boards history. Damn NIK, theres no way youre really this dumb lol
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you've lost your pass to call anyone dumb, man...seriously. you're the guy who tries to diss people who praise Kobe as a great player. LMAO. you try to make jokes about his game being perfect, as if he's not the best player on the planet. you, my friend, are the epitome of stupidity...and again with the stats...like I said, put Kobe in a position like LeBron's, in a fee-lancing offense with an exceptional defensively structured team, and he'd be scoring 40 a game...LeBron would be lost in the triangle for a while before he even picked it up...and the focal point of the triangle is usually the big man, if you know anything about the offense (which you obviously dont)...thats why Gasol is considered just as (if not more) important than Kobe in a lot of Laker wins. replace Kobe with LeBron, and that number would double (or even triple)...PeACe
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I dont diss people who praise Kobe as a great player. How stupid do u sound? Especially when I, myself have said he's a great player LOL. I diss people (like u), who cant accept that Kobe is not perfect. That he is not the greatest player ever (lol). That just because someone is not a Kobe FAN, doesnt make them a Kobe HATER. A person who has spent a lifetime arguing with stats on here, only to pretend like they dont matter when they arent in your favor. Its funny how you can point out all negative consequences of Lebron playing in the triangle, but none of the negative consequences of Kobe playing with the Cavs. One would be, more shots, poorer shot selection, therefore a lower % of the field. Kobe NEEDED this structure and NEEDED Gasol. His team (yes, he IS supposed to be the leader) was floundering during the post-Shaq years. And you think Kobe's game is so adaptable? You havent seen Lebrons game progress? He wasnt even a score first guy coming into the league. Now he's averaging almost 29 points a game lol.
Now_Im_Not_Banned:
--- Quote from: teecee on March 20, 2009, 11:51:20 AM ---NIK, when actual facts don't work in your favour, you start arguing things that aren't real, all the "What-if's" and other scenarios. To call Lebron merely good is retarded and you know it.
We are all getting a chance to watch 4 players have AMAZING seasons this year, three of which are statistically amazing (Paul, Lebron, Wade) and Kobe who is playing possibly playing even better than he was when he went for MVP last year. To call any of these guys "good" as you called Lebron is downright stupid.
There are more players in the league than Kobe. And like it or not, Kobe is peaking while Lebron is just getting started. Enjoy them being relative equals while you can
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Great=Magic, Jordan, Kobe, etc.
Good=LeBron, Wade, Wilkins etc.
get that through your head, muufucka.
Now_Im_Not_Banned:
--- Quote from: teecee on March 20, 2009, 11:51:20 AM ---relative equals
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LMAO
Now_Im_Not_Banned:
--- Quote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on March 20, 2009, 11:59:14 AM ---
--- Quote from: Now_I_Know on March 20, 2009, 11:31:34 AM ---
--- Quote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on March 20, 2009, 11:21:01 AM ---
--- Quote from: Now_I_Know on March 20, 2009, 11:09:41 AM ---
--- Quote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on March 19, 2009, 05:23:56 PM ---
--- Quote from: Now_I_Know on March 19, 2009, 05:09:38 PM ---
--- Quote from: teecee on March 19, 2009, 03:11:26 PM ---
--- Quote from: Now_I_Know on March 19, 2009, 11:58:04 AM ---
--- Quote from: teecee on March 19, 2009, 10:00:47 AM ---If Kobe was on the Cavs, hje would shoot every fucking time cuz he wouldn't trust anyone so he would shoot about 42 %, average 37ppg, but like 3 assists max. Lebron's PPG would go down to 25ppg on the Lakers, but he'd get over 10 assists a game.
Imagine Lebron on the Lakers? SICKNESS. Imagine Kobe on the Cavs? It would be Lakers from three or 4 seasons ago?
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Kobe would improve every player on the Cavs and would have more assists than he does now, cuz the plays would be ran through him a lot more often in that type of system ala LeBron. if you think he'd shoot 42% and average 3 assits then you simply don't know Kobe's game. LeBron would be lost within a system like the triangle and his game wouldn't look nearly as dynamic as it does in Clevelands free-lancing offense...LOL@your lack of basketball knowledge. "Kobe on the Cavs would suck...LeBron on LA would be SICKNESS!" LMFAO. :grumpy:
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Dogg, I know the Triangle quite well being as I was a devoted Bulls fan. While the triangle is restricting in some ways, Kobe is still far and away the focal point. He brings the ball up often, and much of the play is fascillitated through him, as it was with Jordan. I think LBJ would be great in the triangle due to his court sense and passing ability (even you, with your "lack of basketball knowledge" would know its superior to Kobe's passing). If Lebron was playing with Gasol and Odom, it would be lights out for the rest of the league. If Kobe was in the Cavs system, he would run away with the scoring title, but would shoot the ball every time as he wouldn't trust his teammates (sim,ilar to when he went for 35 a game a few years ago). Its not like Lebron doesn't make his team better. Guys LOVE playing with him because he trusts thenm and finds the open man.
Either way, who the fuck brought up this ridiculous "if" scenario? Who cares, Lebron is on Cavs, people (i.e. obsessive Kobe fans) do all they do to descredit him, and to me it is just ODD.
Can't we just all agree that NOONE thought the CAvs would be where they are right now, and that Lebron has improved his game (outside shot? better, stil lwork to do. Defense? much better. crazy effort. clutch? he's been good, best player in the last 5 mins. of games in the last two years.)
Kobe fans almost know Lebron is a lock and that Kobe doesn't have a chance as of now, hence the support for Wade.
Its going to end like this. Lebron, Wade, and Kobe in third. All having GREAT seasons, but Kobe is the only one who isn't taking his team to a level noone expected.
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I honestly think that if LeBron was on the Lakers that it would be a toss-up between him and Gasol as to who's the focal point to the success of the team.
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lol makes sense..
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how does that not make sense, moron? you might not agree with it, but it makes perfect sense...even right now, there are games where Gasol is the focal point of the Lakers' offense. if LeBron was playing in the triangle, there's no doubt in my mind that him and Gasol would hold around the same amount of importance as each other in that system.
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Lebron:
PPG 28.6
Reb 7.6
Asts 7.3
Eff. 30.96
Kobe:
PPG 27.7
Reb 5.4
Asts 4.9
Eff. 24.81
Obviously Lebron is the focal point of his team, is the MVP right now, and would be the focal point of the Lakers if he played there. Arguing that Lebron and Gasol would be equal on the Lakers is without a doubt one of your stupider arguments. And that means a lot man, cus youve had more stupid arguments then anyone in this boards history. Damn NIK, theres no way youre really this dumb lol
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you've lost your pass to call anyone dumb, man...seriously. you're the guy who tries to diss people who praise Kobe as a great player. LMAO. you try to make jokes about his game being perfect, as if he's not the best player on the planet. you, my friend, are the epitome of stupidity...and again with the stats...like I said, put Kobe in a position like LeBron's, in a fee-lancing offense with an exceptional defensively structured team, and he'd be scoring 40 a game...LeBron would be lost in the triangle for a while before he even picked it up...and the focal point of the triangle is usually the big man, if you know anything about the offense (which you obviously dont)...thats why Gasol is considered just as (if not more) important than Kobe in a lot of Laker wins. replace Kobe with LeBron, and that number would double (or even triple)...PeACe
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I dont diss people who praise Kobe as a great player. How stupid do u sound? Especially when I, myself have said he's a great player LOL. I diss people (like u), who cant accept that Kobe is not perfect. That he is not the greatest player ever (lol). That just because someone is not a Kobe FAN, doesnt make them a Kobe HATER. A person who has spent a lifetime arguing with stats on here, only to pretend like they dont matter when they arent in your favor. Its funny how you can point out all negative consequences of Lebron playing in the triangle, but none of the negative consequences of Kobe playing with the Cavs. One would be, more shots, poorer shot selection, therefore a lower % of the field. Kobe NEEDED this structure and NEEDED Gasol. His team (yes, he IS supposed to be the leader) was floundering during the post-Shaq years. And you think Kobe's game is so adaptable? You havent seen Lebrons game progress? He wasnt even a score first guy coming into the league. Now he's averaging almost 29 points a game lol.
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LeBron wasn't a scorer coming into the league? LOL. How stupid are you, man? Averaging 20+ points as a rookie pretty much solidifies your role as a scorer. The point is, you try to clown on people when they act like Kobe is amongst some of the greatest players ever when he clearly is. I can accept if you don't think Kobe is THE greatest, but to say he's not up there and to place him closer to LeBron/Wade than to Jordan/Magic is flat out retarded and is a common belief by those who don't understand the game. How have I spent a lifetime arguing with stats? I've always said that stats do not determine a better player, and the only time ive ever used stats was to support an argument, not to make one...and to top it off, i rarely use stats to begin with if its not head-to-head...make sure u know what you're sayin before u say it, son. Kobe is adaptable to anything basketball related. the reason for that is because he is a hard worker, the most conditioned person in the league, and he applies himself to what he does. combine that with his out-of-this-world skill and knack for the game of basketball and you'll see why LeBron still has a long way to go before he can be considered in the same class as Kobe...why would Kobe NEED to shoot more shots if he were on the Cavs, you idiot? Mo Williams attempts more shot than any player on the Lakers not named Kobe. He's way more of a scorer than Odom or Gasol...LeBron has an offensively potent supporting cast, so quit acting like Cavs without LeBron are the 2005 Lakers who had Kwame, Luke, and Smush Parker starting...LOL. Kobe does not NEED structure, he ADAPTED to it...Kobe hated the triangle offense when Phil came along, he even claimed that it held his game back, but his greatness and will to succeed allowed him to adapt. Around 2003-2004, Kobe was BEGGING to play in a free-based offense, cuz that's the type of system his game would flourish in..his stats would be similar to Jordan pre-Phil Jackson if that were the case. After Shaq left, it took the Lakers 3 years to build a contender from scratch...3 FUCKIN YEARS. Name me another superstar who has led his team to greatness from a lottery team that fuckin quick? LOL...step it up, man. at least im arguing for a player im a fan of...you're just arguing cuz you're a hater and cuz Kobe has embarrassed the Spurs so many times...go talk about Duncan or Ginobli or something, you obsessed ass mufucka.
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