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Alex Jones is a shill. So is David Icke.
Matty:
i watched the clips. i find it much easier to believe that alex jones is a deliberate plant for a variety of reasons, although i couldn't say for sure either way.
icke i'm not so convinced. i think they let him roam free because he was originally percieved as a complete nut. the majority still hold this view of him, even if some of his ideas are resonating with way more people than before. also the dude narrating the first youtube clip talks about the 'love' thing as being the real truth when this is also icke's core belief. he could be fake but because there's a much bigger dosage of true ideas with icke, i would say that its far more unlikely to be the case.
alex jones on the other hand (discounting what his guests say) uses massive hyperbole and exaggeration with absolutely everything he talks about. maybe he does it to drill the points home for the average joe but the way he blows things up wildly out of proportion and runs with half-baked ideas is indeed suspicious.
a good, quick example of how jones is prone to exaggeration. he has chuck norris on talking about the irs tax guidelines. jones says it is half a million pages long. norris corrects him with the true figure of 66,000. both quantatively and qualitatively speaking, that's probably the amount of exaggeration that jones uses all the time. proof of the new world order and 'tyranny' is 15-20 times bigger than actually exists in reality with jones. so while there is a basis for his claims, the sheer amount of egotistical exaggeration leads to wild mistruths.
maybe that's deliberate or maybe he's just dumb, but another interersting thing with jones is the religious angle. he's a christian and as far as i know his wife is jewish. he is extremely reluctant to point fingers at religious groups (namely jewish power structures) despite the fact there is overwhelming evidence that the imperialist ideology of zionism is a massive and easily provable part of the bigger conspiracy at work.
btw good shit on all these recent threads, the local 'conspiracy nuts' going hard at the moment :laugh:
The-Leak (aka) kingwell (bka) JULES:
This is retarded. Do you guys know this is Jones and Icke's career? This is how they make money. Whether they believe it to the extent that they show to the public, it's still just a plan to make money. I guarantee the government doesn't give a fuck how the public perceives them. And what good is it to bring new problems to the surface when hiding other ones? It's no good, and pointless, and the government wouldn't do it..
These two are enthusiasts turned scammers making money off their paranoia.. Nothing to do with the government.
The reason why Jones exaggerates like that is to get you scared and concerned.. If his figures are all small numbers, it doesn't seem as important, so you're not gonna care. Why buy a DVD or listen to the show when it's nothing important... It's marketing.
If you've ever seen any of the shit Jones sells, he could put it out on the internet for free if he wanted, and it wouldn't cost him much. This dude is out to make money off us, and he is just as bad as the problems he's trying to expose..
RETURN OF THE OVERFIEND!:
Ultimately both these men are scared of globalisation and the centralisation of global decision making. The changing face of their country, the inter-dependence of economic and national interests and the decline of middle class financial security scares them.
Having said that,
Icke brings up alot of things that allude to valid esoteric and psychological criticisms of the emerging world order.
Likewise Jones' criticisms allude to more structural criticisms such as the democracy deficit in the powerful emerging field of public international law, world economic forums, etc.
However, William Cooper was the triple-og of all this shit. The man held a formidable defence and intelligence record and understanding of the esoteric. Although I don't always agree with all the moral judgements and pessimism of these men because I am a bit more of a utilitarian compared to them.
virtuoso:
Since we are talking about about disinformation, please get your facts right, they do put this stuff out of for free on google video!. Also if they didn't sell shit they wouldn't be able to offer an alternative to the mainstream bullshit would they? How is the mainstream news funded? by the money generated by advertising and sales. Sorry Matt, I usually agree with you but you are mistaken on this one my friend I will quote exactly what he said and present you with the link skip tp 4:10 it's just after that point.
CJ "How many pages do you think are in the IMF tax code"?
AJ "I know it's in the tens of thousands and then they have all these"
CJ Interjects "66,498 pages Alex"
I do think the white washing involvement angle is a dead end to and of course the people so obsessed with Jones love the fact that his wife is jewish as they deem that gives them ammo but it's not as simple as that. I think what he is reluctant to do is blame it all on the jews because this creates a false perspective on things and would seem to resonate the message if only these people weren't in power everything would be so sweet and rosy. However the truth is more complex than that those simple notions. Also of course there are just people out there who hate jewish people and he has to prevent the show from become a mud slinging contest. When he has addressed this before he states that at the top of the chain lies the jewish banking families who intermarried with royalty, the dutch royalty, the british royal family etc. However the architecture of this global was created in a large part by the free masons, by the best minds in social engineering, the best minds in psychology and that has encompassed more than just a group of jews.
Matty:
i'll find the half a million quote cause i found funny at the time. even though its a tiny thing there are probably hundreds of examples like this and a good reason to be extremely dubious of info whenever it comes out jones own mouth. it was from a much more recent chuck norris interview on his show. not that alex even believes himself sometimes, but its funny how he buffs up numbers hugely and generally gets carried away...
@ 9:28
AJ - income tax, half a million pages nobody can follow it, should that be abolished
CN - 66, 298 pages alex
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