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Quote from: KaiserSoze on May 21, 2009, 05:59:16 AMLet's get real here. In the space of week I've seen people criticize Eminem's new album without mentioning how much he tore up the multi-sylablle rhyming, I've seen people say that Reasonable Doubt isn't a classic when anybody that listens to rap properly has got to give respect to the lyrics on that album and the same with Food and Liqour. There isn't one way to listen to rap, but there is definately a way to listen to lyrical rap, and if you're trying to tell me that everybody who listens to rap listens closely to the likes of Lupe Fiasco and Talib Kweli then you're being pretty naive, especially since plenty of rap fans have told me for a fact that they "can't be assed paying close attention to those lyrics".We're pretty much on the same page but I just give the people the benefit of doubt even if it means I'm being naive. That's all. I enjoy Relapse and believe Reasonable Doubt and Food & Liquor to be a classics. Discussing the merits of classic and providing opinion is cool. That's all they were saying in that other thread. I think it's legitimate to question what's classic. Personally, always staying conscience like Talib does get boring. So I appreciate the nonsense rappers, some days my mind wants to shut down and take a vacation.
Let's get real here. In the space of week I've seen people criticize Eminem's new album without mentioning how much he tore up the multi-sylablle rhyming, I've seen people say that Reasonable Doubt isn't a classic when anybody that listens to rap properly has got to give respect to the lyrics on that album and the same with Food and Liqour. There isn't one way to listen to rap, but there is definately a way to listen to lyrical rap, and if you're trying to tell me that everybody who listens to rap listens closely to the likes of Lupe Fiasco and Talib Kweli then you're being pretty naive, especially since plenty of rap fans have told me for a fact that they "can't be assed paying close attention to those lyrics".
Quote from: Action! on May 21, 2009, 07:01:02 AMQuote from: KaiserSoze on May 21, 2009, 05:59:16 AMLet's get real here. In the space of week I've seen people criticize Eminem's new album without mentioning how much he tore up the multi-sylablle rhyming, I've seen people say that Reasonable Doubt isn't a classic when anybody that listens to rap properly has got to give respect to the lyrics on that album and the same with Food and Liqour. There isn't one way to listen to rap, but there is definately a way to listen to lyrical rap, and if you're trying to tell me that everybody who listens to rap listens closely to the likes of Lupe Fiasco and Talib Kweli then you're being pretty naive, especially since plenty of rap fans have told me for a fact that they "can't be assed paying close attention to those lyrics".We're pretty much on the same page but I just give the people the benefit of doubt even if it means I'm being naive. That's all. I enjoy Relapse and believe Reasonable Doubt and Food & Liquor to be a classics. Discussing the merits of classic and providing opinion is cool. That's all they were saying in that other thread. I think it's legitimate to question what's classic. Personally, always staying conscience like Talib does get boring. So I appreciate the nonsense rappers, some days my mind wants to shut down and take a vacation.your mind isn't shutting down bcuz you're playing a Yung Joc/*insert rapper* track lol... i hate when ppl say that shit, you must already be dumb from tha start. lol...http://www.imeem.com/people/SoX1I_/music/dCw4sVst/yung-joc-do-ya-bad/ classic track btw
and everybody on here is a critic, so why y'all think your opinion is the only opinion that matters or is the only shed of truth- get over yourself asap.
And, while I think rappers owe it to themselves as humans to be responsible with what they spit and be honest - either tell your life story of admit you're just telling a story - I don't have a problem with the majority of the "mainstream" artists. My problem is with the radio and them not reflecting the diversity and lyricism of hip-hop. There ain't no god damn reason why a jay rock single (all my life or lift me up) can't be played after a lil wayne single and there ain't no reason why Talib Kweli can't follow a Lil Wayne track. It's all hip-hop in my book. In fact I don't understand why the radio doesn't try to gather more of these markets with shows. For example, every Tuesday evening and night can be the west coast g-funk hour and it can reflect that type of music and every Wednesday night can be underground regional cats and every Thursday can be international hip-hop from across the world. Of course I'd rather have it spread out across the week and intertwined throughout the show instead of limiting it to one night. The radio is fucked and consequently people think hip-hop is fucked because of that. I can't sit here and say hip-hop is dead when all these youngings/quality artist/mcs are doing it for the love and releasing free music - Bishop Lamont, Stat Quo, Papoose, Saigon, Joell Ortiz, Charles Hamilton, Drake, Wale, Slaughtherhouse (crooked-i, joell ortiz, royce, budden). And, I'm not even limiting my perspective of hip-hop to them because Eminem, 50, Common, Kanye, Wayne, TI, Jay, Nas are all hip-hop as well. Hell, even Mims and Soulja Boy is and if you don't think so how'd hip-hop get started? Kool Herc breaking and trying to have a good time while the folks got down. Dance music has always been a part of hip-hop.In my opinion the people that sold out first were the djs.
Game's got flow, right? I think he's easily in top 5 vocalists of our generation.
Quote from: Action! on May 20, 2009, 05:35:06 PMGame's got flow, right? I think he's easily in top 5 vocalists of our generation. You're so stupid. Just kill yourself. It pains me so much that so many idiotic people are allowed to walk around oblivious to everything except their own self absorbed opinions on completely meaningless shit. The Game sucks, and you don't deserve to live you fucking monkey.
Quote from: The King on May 21, 2009, 10:40:15 PMQuote from: Action! on May 20, 2009, 05:35:06 PMGame's got flow, right? I think he's easily in top 5 vocalists of our generation. You're so stupid. Just kill yourself. It pains me so much that so many idiotic people are allowed to walk around oblivious to everything except their own self absorbed opinions on completely meaningless shit. The Game sucks, and you don't deserve to live you fucking monkey. Much beef lately?The Game might suck lyrically, which I have always admitted to, but there's no point in denying his vocal skill.Hope you find an internal peace so when you put down others you don't make yourself look foolish in the process.
Quote from: Action! on May 22, 2009, 04:30:05 AMQuote from: The King on May 21, 2009, 10:40:15 PMQuote from: Action! on May 20, 2009, 05:35:06 PMGame's got flow, right? I think he's easily in top 5 vocalists of our generation. You're so stupid. Just kill yourself. It pains me so much that so many idiotic people are allowed to walk around oblivious to everything except their own self absorbed opinions on completely meaningless shit. The Game sucks, and you don't deserve to live you fucking monkey. Much beef lately?The Game might suck lyrically, which I have always admitted to, but there's no point in denying his vocal skill.Hope you find an internal peace so when you put down others you don't make yourself look foolish in the process.lol top five? Game has average flow. But this guy was a little harsh on you. "you don't deserve to live you fucking monkey" now that's just uncalled for over someones opinion.
Flow.I hear cats on here always talkin about "this guy's flow is dope..." and then I'll listen to the same joint and wonder if this cat even knows what a flow is. Because said rappers flow was horrible.So I want to take a moment to clarify what makes a dope flow. A dope flow is all about spitting in sync / rhythm with the beat. The flow should be driven by the drums in the song, and should stay in time with them. Their should be a little swing to how they're spitting. Every once in a while skippin off beat for effect or what not is perfectly acceptable, but an entire song completely off beat and lacking any semblance of rhythm, especially w/ respect to the beat is not.Rapping on time is what connects the rapper to the beat. Without that element, there is a major disconnect between the two. Somehow though, it became a trend to kinda lazily talk over the song with little to no regard to the beat. Off top guys like Wayne & Jay (even Andre3000 did this for a minute - his best Weezy impressions) etc are beyond capable of spittin like crazy, but a lot of times they don't. And to me it makes them unlistenable when they are lazily talking rather than truly rapping.It just seems like it is acceptable to no longer posess the ability to rap on time, and that's def one of the biggest reasons why I can't listen to a lot of mainstream shit. Shit if you're gonna make 1000 songs about slangin rocks at least have a flow and the song then has some redeeming value. It may still be enjoyable even though we've heard this generic subject matter before. Peace.
Quote from: Jrome The Don Killuminati on May 20, 2009, 04:19:35 PMFlow.I hear cats on here always talkin about "this guy's flow is dope..." and then I'll listen to the same joint and wonder if this cat even knows what a flow is. Because said rappers flow was horrible.So I want to take a moment to clarify what makes a dope flow. A dope flow is all about spitting in sync / rhythm with the beat. The flow should be driven by the drums in the song, and should stay in time with them. Their should be a little swing to how they're spitting. Every once in a while skippin off beat for effect or what not is perfectly acceptable, but an entire song completely off beat and lacking any semblance of rhythm, especially w/ respect to the beat is not.Rapping on time is what connects the rapper to the beat. Without that element, there is a major disconnect between the two. Somehow though, it became a trend to kinda lazily talk over the song with little to no regard to the beat. Off top guys like Wayne & Jay (even Andre3000 did this for a minute - his best Weezy impressions) etc are beyond capable of spittin like crazy, but a lot of times they don't. And to me it makes them unlistenable when they are lazily talking rather than truly rapping.It just seems like it is acceptable to no longer posess the ability to rap on time, and that's def one of the biggest reasons why I can't listen to a lot of mainstream shit. Shit if you're gonna make 1000 songs about slangin rocks at least have a flow and the song then has some redeeming value. It may still be enjoyable even though we've heard this generic subject matter before. Peace.good post, you must HATE jeru the damaja then cuz he raps off beat
Quote from: rapsodie on May 22, 2009, 08:11:56 AMQuote from: Action! on May 22, 2009, 04:30:05 AMQuote from: The King on May 21, 2009, 10:40:15 PMQuote from: Action! on May 20, 2009, 05:35:06 PMGame's got flow, right? I think he's easily in top 5 vocalists of our generation. You're so stupid. Just kill yourself. It pains me so much that so many idiotic people are allowed to walk around oblivious to everything except their own self absorbed opinions on completely meaningless shit. The Game sucks, and you don't deserve to live you fucking monkey. Much beef lately?The Game might suck lyrically, which I have always admitted to, but there's no point in denying his vocal skill.Hope you find an internal peace so when you put down others you don't make yourself look foolish in the process.lol top five? Game has average flow. But this guy was a little harsh on you. "you don't deserve to live you fucking monkey" now that's just uncalled for over someones opinion.Who's your favorite individual with flow?
The Game has that same, slow flow on almost every track, rarely switches it up.
Quote from: rapsodie The Game has that same, slow flow on almost every track, rarely switches it up.