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Triple OG Rapsodie:
So you believe that when you die your soul goes to heaven (or hell). And your soul is supposed to be your identity right? All your memories, personality, and everything. So my question to you is, which version of your soul is the one that goes to heaven. We change every day. We get new memories, experience new things. We see people die and all these terrible things happen, we lose our innocence. We go through relationships, experience love and loss, success and failure and all of this changes us. We are a completely different person from the one we were five years ago, or even five days ago. So which "soul" is it that goes to heaven, according to your beliefs.

LAXCENTRAL:
the good memories... our favorite ones... thats all 8)

TraceOneInfinite:

--- Quote from: rapsodie on June 05, 2009, 12:21:53 AM ---So you believe that when you die your soul goes to heaven (or hell). And your soul is supposed to be your identity right? All your memories, personality, and everything. So my question to you is, which version of your soul is the one that goes to heaven. We change every day. We get new memories, experience new things. We see people die and all these terrible things happen, we lose our innocence. We go through relationships, experience love and loss, success and failure and all of this changes us. We are a completely different person from the one we were five years ago, or even five days ago. So which "soul" is it that goes to heaven, according to your beliefs.

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Great question.

The Qu'ran teaches that everything is balanced and weighted according to three things...

1.  Actions
2.  Intentions
3.  Forgiveness

So all the persons actions will be taken into account.  Every good deed and bad deed, and the intentions behind those actions.  So if you had bad intentions and bad actions in the past, if you have never asked for forgiveness for those sins, then those will be will black stains stay on your heart or on your record of deeds.  Also your good actions and intentions will be on your spirit/heart/record.   Allah will take all this into account.  Then Allah's mercy is great, so Allah may be merciful and forgive even your worst sins if he Wills it.

So let's imagine the person is admitted into heaven.  There is a cleansing process which is known as the "torment of the grave".  Where the sinner may suffer greatly on account of their bad actions, memories, and intentions.  However, upon completion of this the person will be purified... and to answer your question they will enter heaven pure with their good actions/memories.

An analogy can be made to a person's life and the transformation of a caterpillar.  The caterpillar begins as an ugly, undesirable character in nature.   But if it eats the right leaves (righteous living) then it will survive in it's "death" (cocoon, similar to torment of the grave) and then it will be reborn as a butterfly which is considered the most virtuous and beautiful character in nature.

Shallow:
I don't know. I never pretended to know. And I never will. I have faith in eternal life. I don't know the meaning of life, or the reason for it to be eternal. I have faith in morality. I believe that there are absolute wrongs and absolute rights. That doesn't mean I believe that there is no grey area at all. I believe that doing the right thing and living forever are connected somehow. Whether that means you keep living life after life until you get it right and then you move on to the next level or not isn't the issue. I just try my best to do the right thing and I don't like the idea of people dieing and that being the end of them.


That's all I can tell you.

Triple OG Rapsodie:
So if you only take your good memories, won't that change who you are? How can someone exist with only their good memories? The bad memories are a part of who we are, and they have helped us to become better people. Lets say someone got caught shoplifting at age 13. That experience taught them that crime is wrong. For someone experiencing the death of a loved one for the first time, it shows them how it feels to lose someone and to treasure what they have. Someone who does the wrong thing feels guilt, and this in turn convinces them that they should be doing the right thing. Like the saying goes, what doesn't kill you makes you stronger. Simply put, if we don't know what the bad things are, we won't know that they are bad and to avoid them. Taking away bad actions and experiences is a step backwards towards ignorance, not a step towards enlightenment.

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