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Question for religious people
Shallow:
--- Quote from: rapsodie on June 06, 2009, 09:58:47 PM ---So if you only take your good memories, won't that change who you are? How can someone exist with only their good memories? The bad memories are a part of who we are, and they have helped us to become better people. Lets say someone got caught shoplifting at age 13. That experience taught them that crime is wrong. For someone experiencing the death of a loved one for the first time, it shows them how it feels to lose someone and to treasure what they have. Someone who does the wrong thing feels guilt, and this in turn convinces them that they should be doing the right thing. Like the saying goes, what doesn't kill you makes you stronger. Simply put, if we don't know what the bad things are, we won't know that they are bad and to avoid them. Taking away bad actions and experiences is a step backwards towards ignorance, not a step towards enlightenment.
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Who said anything about losing your bad memories. I have no idea what a soul consists of or what heaven is like. I was just telling you how I live (or attempt to live). You're trying to break it down logically or figure it out logically.
However, logically you do not have to experience every thing you consider immoral to understand why it is wrong. I've never been raped or raped anyone else. Does that mean I can never know that rape is wrong?
Triple OG Rapsodie:
--- Quote from: Shallow on June 06, 2009, 10:34:40 PM ---
--- Quote from: rapsodie on June 06, 2009, 09:58:47 PM ---So if you only take your good memories, won't that change who you are? How can someone exist with only their good memories? The bad memories are a part of who we are, and they have helped us to become better people. Lets say someone got caught shoplifting at age 13. That experience taught them that crime is wrong. For someone experiencing the death of a loved one for the first time, it shows them how it feels to lose someone and to treasure what they have. Someone who does the wrong thing feels guilt, and this in turn convinces them that they should be doing the right thing. Like the saying goes, what doesn't kill you makes you stronger. Simply put, if we don't know what the bad things are, we won't know that they are bad and to avoid them. Taking away bad actions and experiences is a step backwards towards ignorance, not a step towards enlightenment.
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Who said anything about losing your bad memories. I have no idea what a soul consists of or what heaven is like. I was just telling you how I live (or attempt to live). You're trying to break it down logically or figure it out logically.
However, logically you do not have to experience every thing you consider immoral to understand why it is wrong. I've never been raped or raped anyone else. Does that mean I can never know that rape is wrong?
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Obviously I was answering the other posters...and no you wouldn't have to experience it yourself firsthand but you would have to understand the concept of it and that would involve feeling empathy for the victim and putting yourself in their position. I guarantee you that someone who has never had a bad experience and had never seen or been told of a bad experience is someone who doesn't know the difference between right and wrong. Its a part of basic learning. Look at how infants and young kids misbehave without any thought of anyone besides themselves...why do you think they do that? Because they don't know any better. Its through being trained by their parents and having to live with the consequences that they learn morals.
Shallow:
--- Quote from: rapsodie on June 06, 2009, 11:13:36 PM ---
--- Quote from: Shallow on June 06, 2009, 10:34:40 PM ---
--- Quote from: rapsodie on June 06, 2009, 09:58:47 PM ---So if you only take your good memories, won't that change who you are? How can someone exist with only their good memories? The bad memories are a part of who we are, and they have helped us to become better people. Lets say someone got caught shoplifting at age 13. That experience taught them that crime is wrong. For someone experiencing the death of a loved one for the first time, it shows them how it feels to lose someone and to treasure what they have. Someone who does the wrong thing feels guilt, and this in turn convinces them that they should be doing the right thing. Like the saying goes, what doesn't kill you makes you stronger. Simply put, if we don't know what the bad things are, we won't know that they are bad and to avoid them. Taking away bad actions and experiences is a step backwards towards ignorance, not a step towards enlightenment.
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Who said anything about losing your bad memories. I have no idea what a soul consists of or what heaven is like. I was just telling you how I live (or attempt to live). You're trying to break it down logically or figure it out logically.
However, logically you do not have to experience every thing you consider immoral to understand why it is wrong. I've never been raped or raped anyone else. Does that mean I can never know that rape is wrong?
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Obviously I was answering the other posters...and no you wouldn't have to experience it yourself firsthand but you would have to understand the concept of it and that would involve feeling empathy for the victim and putting yourself in their position. I guarantee you that someone who has never had a bad experience and had never seen or been told of a bad experience is someone who doesn't know the difference between right and wrong. Its a part of basic learning. Look at how infants and young kids misbehave without any thought of anyone besides themselves...why do you think they do that? Because they don't know any better. Its through being trained by their parents and having to live with the consequences that they learn morals.
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Sorry didn't see the other poster.
We aren't exactly disagreeing with anything here. Yes, what is good cannot exist with out what is evil.
QuietTruth:
Here's what I believe......people don't change. They may learn, they may grow up, they may mature, but they don't change. Feelings and experience, whether it's feelings from the experiences or not, just don't disappear.
Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.
I mean too, you can be 78 years old and still feel the same way about somethang, when you were at the age of 12.
I don't understand how we have 'different versions' of ourselves, of our soul. Yes, we may have different personalities but there's only one soul....there's only one of you.
--- Quote from: rapsodie on June 05, 2009, 12:21:53 AM ---We get new memories, experience new things. We see people die and all these terrible things happen, we lose our innocence. We go through relationships, experience love and loss, success and failure and all of this changes us.
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That all right there makes you who you are. Right? Like I said I think you can learn, grow up and mature from those, but necessarily change you??
I don't know, I don't know, I could understand how we have different personalities becuz as humans we all act different around different people but your soul, that's like your mind, your thoughts, your opinions, your inside feelings, you may act different in front of your grandmother wit one personality and be your wit your boys and have another personality but that don't mean your views change. I mean your soul as sure as hell ain't. I can't understand how we could have different versions of our 'soul'.
Triple OG Rapsodie:
My soul is destroyed and rebuilt everyday to some degree. Me losing my father changed who I am. If he were still alive today I'd be a different person. Maybe an easier example is to think about a person who gets in an accident and loses part of their brain. That person is changed completely. Their personality, their feelings and anything else can change. I think of people as blank slates with equal opportunity for good and evil, who's soul becomes what it is based on experiences. Its not just coincidence that people who grow up in fucked up situations are more likely to become fucked up individuals.
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