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Any of ya'll ready to retract your ridiculous "LeBron>Kobe" claims yet?
Shallow:
--- Quote from: Now_I_Know on June 12, 2009, 04:29:49 PM ---
--- Quote from: Shallow on June 12, 2009, 07:42:27 AM ---Obviously I believe that if Jordan was marketed like Kobe is now he'd have not been as big as the Jordan of the late 80s and 90s.But the one thing we have to simply disagree on is if Kobe had the same push and was there instead of Jordan in the late 80s and 90s he would not have been as big as Jordan was.
Plenty of people get huge pushes by the media and plenty of people are the best in their sport or field, but only a few ever get the mega stardom that guys like Babe Ruth get. That's my point that you'll just have to not believe.
--- End quote ---
and the truth is that there's no way to really know...i still dont see the "charm" that separates Jordan from Kobe. to me, they're both similar dudes, with a similar game, and similar personalities...but theres no way to truly know what could have been.. it's all a matter of opinion...PeACe
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Even something as silly as the name. The bald head and profile. The sticking out of the tongue. It all plays a factor. If Elvis Presley was Harold Presley he may have never been the King of Rock. Air Jordan just has the ring to it that Air Johnson or Air Wilkins just doesn't have. I know it sounds stupid but everything aligned for Jordan to be the mega star that he was.
Now_Im_Not_Banned:
--- Quote from: Shallow on June 12, 2009, 09:56:15 PM ---
--- Quote from: Now_I_Know on June 12, 2009, 04:29:49 PM ---
--- Quote from: Shallow on June 12, 2009, 07:42:27 AM ---Obviously I believe that if Jordan was marketed like Kobe is now he'd have not been as big as the Jordan of the late 80s and 90s.But the one thing we have to simply disagree on is if Kobe had the same push and was there instead of Jordan in the late 80s and 90s he would not have been as big as Jordan was.
Plenty of people get huge pushes by the media and plenty of people are the best in their sport or field, but only a few ever get the mega stardom that guys like Babe Ruth get. That's my point that you'll just have to not believe.
--- End quote ---
and the truth is that there's no way to really know...i still dont see the "charm" that separates Jordan from Kobe. to me, they're both similar dudes, with a similar game, and similar personalities...but theres no way to truly know what could have been.. it's all a matter of opinion...PeACe
--- End quote ---
Even something as silly as the name. The bald head and profile. The sticking out of the tongue. It all plays a factor. If Elvis Presley was Harold Presley he may have never been the King of Rock. Air Jordan just has the ring to it that Air Johnson or Air Wilkins just doesn't have. I know it sounds stupid but everything aligned for Jordan to be the mega star that he was.
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i know what you mean, but i dont see the bald head and profile making jordan, i see it more as jordan making the bald head and profile. i dont see the sticking out of the tongue a factor in his popularity, i see his popularity making the sticking out of the tongue a factor. you feel me?... if a shitty player tried sticking out his tongue on plays, he coulda just as easily been mocked...all that shit became a trademark due to his exciting style of play and the marketing behind it...thats just the way i see it. two different views.
Shallow:
--- Quote from: Now_I_Know on June 12, 2009, 10:12:36 PM ---
--- Quote from: Shallow on June 12, 2009, 09:56:15 PM ---
--- Quote from: Now_I_Know on June 12, 2009, 04:29:49 PM ---
--- Quote from: Shallow on June 12, 2009, 07:42:27 AM ---Obviously I believe that if Jordan was marketed like Kobe is now he'd have not been as big as the Jordan of the late 80s and 90s.But the one thing we have to simply disagree on is if Kobe had the same push and was there instead of Jordan in the late 80s and 90s he would not have been as big as Jordan was.
Plenty of people get huge pushes by the media and plenty of people are the best in their sport or field, but only a few ever get the mega stardom that guys like Babe Ruth get. That's my point that you'll just have to not believe.
--- End quote ---
and the truth is that there's no way to really know...i still dont see the "charm" that separates Jordan from Kobe. to me, they're both similar dudes, with a similar game, and similar personalities...but theres no way to truly know what could have been.. it's all a matter of opinion...PeACe
--- End quote ---
Even something as silly as the name. The bald head and profile. The sticking out of the tongue. It all plays a factor. If Elvis Presley was Harold Presley he may have never been the King of Rock. Air Jordan just has the ring to it that Air Johnson or Air Wilkins just doesn't have. I know it sounds stupid but everything aligned for Jordan to be the mega star that he was.
--- End quote ---
i know what you mean, but i dont see the bald head and profile making jordan, i see it more as jordan making the bald head and profile. i dont see the sticking out of the tongue a factor in his popularity, i see his popularity making the sticking out of the tongue a factor. you feel me?... if a shitty player tried sticking out his tongue on plays, he coulda just as easily been mocked...all that shit became a trademark due to his exciting style of play and the marketing behind it...thats just the way i see it. two different views.
--- End quote ---
I mean those factors added to it. A shitty player is a shitty player. The best is the best. Having everything else just added to it. Even the fact that he was sold as a handsome man in a suit. If he was ugly it wouldn't have worked the same. Ruth was sold a lovable Teddy Bear being the best and it worked for him. DiMaggio was sold a playboy and that worked for him. A full head of hair and no tongue wouldn't been ruined Jordan. It just helped make him even bigger by making him recognizable.
teecee:
Beckham is, as I already said, WAY WAY more popular than Kobe or any other athlete PERIOD>
Kobe is BIG in China though, and that is a HUGE market obviously. BUt he will never fuck with MJ for a variety of reasons (image, marketing, SIX FINALS MVP's, MJ keeping his dirty laundry away from the press mostly, MJ's CONSISTENCY, Nike, etc)
Now_Im_Not_Banned:
--- Quote from: Shallow on June 12, 2009, 10:22:56 PM ---
--- Quote from: Now_I_Know on June 12, 2009, 10:12:36 PM ---
--- Quote from: Shallow on June 12, 2009, 09:56:15 PM ---
--- Quote from: Now_I_Know on June 12, 2009, 04:29:49 PM ---
--- Quote from: Shallow on June 12, 2009, 07:42:27 AM ---Obviously I believe that if Jordan was marketed like Kobe is now he'd have not been as big as the Jordan of the late 80s and 90s.But the one thing we have to simply disagree on is if Kobe had the same push and was there instead of Jordan in the late 80s and 90s he would not have been as big as Jordan was.
Plenty of people get huge pushes by the media and plenty of people are the best in their sport or field, but only a few ever get the mega stardom that guys like Babe Ruth get. That's my point that you'll just have to not believe.
--- End quote ---
and the truth is that there's no way to really know...i still dont see the "charm" that separates Jordan from Kobe. to me, they're both similar dudes, with a similar game, and similar personalities...but theres no way to truly know what could have been.. it's all a matter of opinion...PeACe
--- End quote ---
Even something as silly as the name. The bald head and profile. The sticking out of the tongue. It all plays a factor. If Elvis Presley was Harold Presley he may have never been the King of Rock. Air Jordan just has the ring to it that Air Johnson or Air Wilkins just doesn't have. I know it sounds stupid but everything aligned for Jordan to be the mega star that he was.
--- End quote ---
i know what you mean, but i dont see the bald head and profile making jordan, i see it more as jordan making the bald head and profile. i dont see the sticking out of the tongue a factor in his popularity, i see his popularity making the sticking out of the tongue a factor. you feel me?... if a shitty player tried sticking out his tongue on plays, he coulda just as easily been mocked...all that shit became a trademark due to his exciting style of play and the marketing behind it...thats just the way i see it. two different views.
--- End quote ---
I mean those factors added to it. A shitty player is a shitty player. The best is the best. Having everything else just added to it. Even the fact that he was sold as a handsome man in a suit. If he was ugly it wouldn't have worked the same. Ruth was sold a lovable Teddy Bear being the best and it worked for him. DiMaggio was sold a playboy and that worked for him. A full head of hair and no tongue wouldn't been ruined Jordan. It just helped make him even bigger by making him recognizable.
--- End quote ---
but I think he coulda popularized an afro and showing of the teeth after every time he scores just as much had he been marketed the same with the same style of play...u feel what im gettin at?
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