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Question for religious people II
Triple OG Rapsodie:
--- Quote from: Shallow on June 06, 2009, 10:40:05 PM ---
--- Quote from: rapsodie on June 06, 2009, 09:48:19 PM ---
--- Quote from: Shallow on June 06, 2009, 09:19:13 PM ---
--- Quote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on June 06, 2009, 05:14:15 PM ---
--- Quote from: Shallow on June 06, 2009, 05:06:17 PM ---You could argue, from a Christian standpoint, that the good man not part of the group does get in just fine. Christ said that he came for the sinners not the righteous and that yoiu send a doctor to heal the sick, not the healthy. This means that the sick become healthy through Christ, but the already healthy are just fine the way they are. Thus, they get in anyway.
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That sounds good, but thats not the way its taught and thats not what Christians believe.
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That's what I believe.
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I find it funny how a lot of people call themselves Christians and Catholics and go to church but yet they disagree on what is taught by the heads of their religion. My mom being an example. She's a Catholic but she supports gay marriage and the right to abortion when the Catholic Church is against it. She also doesn't believe in the concept of Hell. I know that a lot of people are in the same situation, yet they still call themselves Christians. Why don't these people just go ahead and call themselves agnostic? Why do they insist on claiming membership of a group who's beliefs aren't in sync with their own?
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The head of my Church is Jesus and I believe in what he had to say. That takes precidence over anything any high priest, pope or patriarch has to say as far as I'm concerned. So I'd never call myself agnostic.
Don't know what your mother's reasons are but politically I don't want a ban on abortion because all it would do is drive it underground. Until we have an alternative to it, (like ectogenesis), it has to stay. I am also a strong believer in the complete separation of Church and State. So absolutely disagree with Gay marriage being made legal or a State issue. Much like I am against straight marriage in the same regard.
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I assume you belong to a specific religion because you replied to my post. But religions are man-made organizations with their own systems of belief. If you want to follow Jesus then that's one thing but why identify yourself as part of a group if you don't follow all its beliefs?
Shallow:
--- Quote from: rapsodie on June 07, 2009, 11:08:28 PM ---
--- Quote from: Shallow on June 06, 2009, 10:40:05 PM ---
--- Quote from: rapsodie on June 06, 2009, 09:48:19 PM ---
--- Quote from: Shallow on June 06, 2009, 09:19:13 PM ---
--- Quote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on June 06, 2009, 05:14:15 PM ---
--- Quote from: Shallow on June 06, 2009, 05:06:17 PM ---You could argue, from a Christian standpoint, that the good man not part of the group does get in just fine. Christ said that he came for the sinners not the righteous and that yoiu send a doctor to heal the sick, not the healthy. This means that the sick become healthy through Christ, but the already healthy are just fine the way they are. Thus, they get in anyway.
--- End quote ---
That sounds good, but thats not the way its taught and thats not what Christians believe.
--- End quote ---
That's what I believe.
--- End quote ---
I find it funny how a lot of people call themselves Christians and Catholics and go to church but yet they disagree on what is taught by the heads of their religion. My mom being an example. She's a Catholic but she supports gay marriage and the right to abortion when the Catholic Church is against it. She also doesn't believe in the concept of Hell. I know that a lot of people are in the same situation, yet they still call themselves Christians. Why don't these people just go ahead and call themselves agnostic? Why do they insist on claiming membership of a group who's beliefs aren't in sync with their own?
--- End quote ---
The head of my Church is Jesus and I believe in what he had to say. That takes precidence over anything any high priest, pope or patriarch has to say as far as I'm concerned. So I'd never call myself agnostic.
Don't know what your mother's reasons are but politically I don't want a ban on abortion because all it would do is drive it underground. Until we have an alternative to it, (like ectogenesis), it has to stay. I am also a strong believer in the complete separation of Church and State. So absolutely disagree with Gay marriage being made legal or a State issue. Much like I am against straight marriage in the same regard.
--- End quote ---
I assume you belong to a specific religion because you replied to my post. But religions are man-made organizations with their own systems of belief. If you want to follow Jesus then that's one thing but why identify yourself as part of a group if you don't follow all its beliefs?
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Politically I'm a conservative. Being a conservative means you stand for certain principles. You oppose government intervention as much as possible. You don't believe in something like the Iraq war. A bunch of people in the USA calling themselves conservatives not only agreed with it but defended it after the fact. They abandoned their conservative values but decided to keep their conservative titles. Why should I have to change what I'm called? Because stupid people now associate left wing ideas with the conservative party? That's not my fault.
I am a Christian. If my fellow Christians want to ignore certain teachings of Christ or put the writings of someone other than Jesus ahead of what Jesus said that's their problem. Not mine. They are the ones abandoning their Christian values for dogma. I won't leave the Church. But I can't stop the Church from leaving me. Juat because others want to blindly follow what a man who currently resides at the top of am organized religion to the point where they are contradicting the true head of their religion doesn't mean I have to find a new place.
M Dogg™:
--- Quote from: Shallow on June 08, 2009, 07:57:54 AM ---
--- Quote from: rapsodie on June 07, 2009, 11:08:28 PM ---
--- Quote from: Shallow on June 06, 2009, 10:40:05 PM ---
--- Quote from: rapsodie on June 06, 2009, 09:48:19 PM ---
--- Quote from: Shallow on June 06, 2009, 09:19:13 PM ---
--- Quote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on June 06, 2009, 05:14:15 PM ---
--- Quote from: Shallow on June 06, 2009, 05:06:17 PM ---You could argue, from a Christian standpoint, that the good man not part of the group does get in just fine. Christ said that he came for the sinners not the righteous and that yoiu send a doctor to heal the sick, not the healthy. This means that the sick become healthy through Christ, but the already healthy are just fine the way they are. Thus, they get in anyway.
--- End quote ---
That sounds good, but thats not the way its taught and thats not what Christians believe.
--- End quote ---
That's what I believe.
--- End quote ---
I find it funny how a lot of people call themselves Christians and Catholics and go to church but yet they disagree on what is taught by the heads of their religion. My mom being an example. She's a Catholic but she supports gay marriage and the right to abortion when the Catholic Church is against it. She also doesn't believe in the concept of Hell. I know that a lot of people are in the same situation, yet they still call themselves Christians. Why don't these people just go ahead and call themselves agnostic? Why do they insist on claiming membership of a group who's beliefs aren't in sync with their own?
--- End quote ---
The head of my Church is Jesus and I believe in what he had to say. That takes precidence over anything any high priest, pope or patriarch has to say as far as I'm concerned. So I'd never call myself agnostic.
Don't know what your mother's reasons are but politically I don't want a ban on abortion because all it would do is drive it underground. Until we have an alternative to it, (like ectogenesis), it has to stay. I am also a strong believer in the complete separation of Church and State. So absolutely disagree with Gay marriage being made legal or a State issue. Much like I am against straight marriage in the same regard.
--- End quote ---
I assume you belong to a specific religion because you replied to my post. But religions are man-made organizations with their own systems of belief. If you want to follow Jesus then that's one thing but why identify yourself as part of a group if you don't follow all its beliefs?
--- End quote ---
Politically I'm a conservative. Being a conservative means you stand for certain principles. You oppose government intervention as much as possible. You don't believe in something like the Iraq war. A bunch of people in the USA calling themselves conservatives not only agreed with it but defended it after the fact. They abandoned their conservative values but decided to keep their conservative titles. Why should I have to change what I'm called? Because stupid people now associate left wing ideas with the conservative party? That's not my fault.
I am a Christian. If my fellow Christians want to ignore certain teachings of Christ or put the writings of someone other than Jesus ahead of what Jesus said that's their problem. Not mine. They are the ones abandoning their Christian values for dogma. I won't leave the Church. But I can't stop the Church from leaving me. Juat because others want to blindly follow what a man who currently resides at the top of am organized religion to the point where they are contradicting the true head of their religion doesn't mean I have to find a new place.
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That's real spit. It was a Republican governor that allowed abortions in his state. It wasn't done because people LIKE abortion, it's done because people went underground and it caused a huge risk to women in America. Their had to be a legal alternative that people can turn too. The true political conservative would be for abortion because they believe in keeping government out of peoples lives.
I'm Catholic, I am personally against abortion, but I also don't think that the government should ban it. Too many women would kill themselves when it would go back underground. Now I maybe Catholic, but the church's leadership does not match it's people. Catholic so-called leadership protested Norte Dame having President Obama as a commencement speaker, when Norte Dame always have presidents speak, and when most Catholics voted for Obama. Church leadership is not in tune with reality, and it's sad.
Triple OG Rapsodie:
--- Quote from: Shallow on June 08, 2009, 07:57:54 AM ---
--- Quote from: rapsodie on June 07, 2009, 11:08:28 PM ---
--- Quote from: Shallow on June 06, 2009, 10:40:05 PM ---
--- Quote from: rapsodie on June 06, 2009, 09:48:19 PM ---
--- Quote from: Shallow on June 06, 2009, 09:19:13 PM ---
--- Quote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on June 06, 2009, 05:14:15 PM ---
--- Quote from: Shallow on June 06, 2009, 05:06:17 PM ---You could argue, from a Christian standpoint, that the good man not part of the group does get in just fine. Christ said that he came for the sinners not the righteous and that yoiu send a doctor to heal the sick, not the healthy. This means that the sick become healthy through Christ, but the already healthy are just fine the way they are. Thus, they get in anyway.
--- End quote ---
That sounds good, but thats not the way its taught and thats not what Christians believe.
--- End quote ---
That's what I believe.
--- End quote ---
I find it funny how a lot of people call themselves Christians and Catholics and go to church but yet they disagree on what is taught by the heads of their religion. My mom being an example. She's a Catholic but she supports gay marriage and the right to abortion when the Catholic Church is against it. She also doesn't believe in the concept of Hell. I know that a lot of people are in the same situation, yet they still call themselves Christians. Why don't these people just go ahead and call themselves agnostic? Why do they insist on claiming membership of a group who's beliefs aren't in sync with their own?
--- End quote ---
The head of my Church is Jesus and I believe in what he had to say. That takes precidence over anything any high priest, pope or patriarch has to say as far as I'm concerned. So I'd never call myself agnostic.
Don't know what your mother's reasons are but politically I don't want a ban on abortion because all it would do is drive it underground. Until we have an alternative to it, (like ectogenesis), it has to stay. I am also a strong believer in the complete separation of Church and State. So absolutely disagree with Gay marriage being made legal or a State issue. Much like I am against straight marriage in the same regard.
--- End quote ---
I assume you belong to a specific religion because you replied to my post. But religions are man-made organizations with their own systems of belief. If you want to follow Jesus then that's one thing but why identify yourself as part of a group if you don't follow all its beliefs?
--- End quote ---
Politically I'm a conservative. Being a conservative means you stand for certain principles. You oppose government intervention as much as possible. You don't believe in something like the Iraq war. A bunch of people in the USA calling themselves conservatives not only agreed with it but defended it after the fact. They abandoned their conservative values but decided to keep their conservative titles. Why should I have to change what I'm called? Because stupid people now associate left wing ideas with the conservative party? That's not my fault.
I am a Christian. If my fellow Christians want to ignore certain teachings of Christ or put the writings of someone other than Jesus ahead of what Jesus said that's their problem. Not mine. They are the ones abandoning their Christian values for dogma. I won't leave the Church. But I can't stop the Church from leaving me. Juat because others want to blindly follow what a man who currently resides at the top of am organized religion to the point where they are contradicting the true head of their religion doesn't mean I have to find a new place.
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What it means to be a conservative might have changed in the last several years but you can't say the same for religion. Its not like the church is becoming more restrictive. Religion has actually become more lax and eased up on some of its rules. They used to completely control how people lived. The Church traditions were still around before you were born (hence they were there when you joined the church) so that argument doesn't really work. I also don't see how Christ is the true leader of the church (he is what it is based on, true, but the idea of being a Christian is a man-made principle that was conceived by men after his death).
Shallow:
I didn't really choose to join any Church. I was born into the Greek Christian-Orthodox Church and it's never been on the same page as the Catholic Church that controlled it's people. Greeks were of the very first converts. And they were converted hundreds of years before Rome adopted Christianity and starting changing it completely. The Greek Church was always the Eastern Church and separate from the Roman Western Church. If I was a born and raised Catholic I'm not even sure if I'd go to Church.
Shit, even the Rasta Bob Marley saw something in the Orthodox way of looking at the Religion. He converted and was baptised Orthodox shortly before his death.
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