Hakeem is the best center ever

[.:DaYg0sTyLz:.]

i honestly consider Russel a powerforward. the older i get the stronger i believe in that notion.

I honestly consider Duncan a Center. 

Why he is called a PF is beyond me...........just so he can be labelled the best ever PF?

probably because he typically plays PF? lol Theyve almost always had actual centers on the team. Oberto, Thomas, etc. that play with him.

I get that, I'm just saying he really is a center, plays like a center.  PRetty much no one in the Shaq era wanted to be a center, and to me that is why Duncan is a power forward

I dunno, i just see it as the game evolved and the center position has slowly disappeared (or changed). Duncan played Center in college, but turned to a PF when he came into the league and played along side Robinson. Then stayed as a PF ever since for the most part.

[M Dogg™]

Hakeem... GOAT center??

hum....

I would say Russell (and I'm a Laker fan??) I always trade off between him and Wilt, but the more I think about it, Russell always beat Wilt, no matter the team Wilt was on, and Russell was maybe the best defensive center ever. Russell's defense lead him to beat Wilt, and that would put you over your counterpart. And Bill Russell was a center, in 2009, he'd be a power foward, but he'd be a power foward like Tim Duncan or Pau Gasol is a power foward. They are true centers, but in order to have a better defensive game plan against centers like Shaq and Howard, you put them to power foward and let some one else give 6 fouls.

But end of day, Russell never played PF, and so his a center, he beat Wilt more often than not, and because of that his better than Wilt. Kareem is in the argument, and Shaq will be in the argument once his career's done, and in the end he might be the GOAT (ok, I'm a Shaq stan... lmao but he is the most physically dominate center ever).

[.:DaYg0sTyLz:.]

Hakeem... GOAT center??

hum....

I would say Russell (and I'm a Laker fan??) I always trade off between him and Wilt, but the more I think about it, Russell always beat Wilt, no matter the team Wilt was on, and Russell was maybe the best defensive center ever. Russell's defense lead him to beat Wilt, and that would put you over your counterpart. And Bill Russell was a center, in 2009, he'd be a power foward, but he'd be a power foward like Tim Duncan or Pau Gasol is a power foward. They are true centers, but in order to have a better defensive game plan against centers like Shaq and Howard, you put them to power foward and let some one else give 6 fouls.

But end of day, Russell never played PF, and so his a center, he beat Wilt more often than not, and because of that his better than Wilt. Kareem is in the argument, and Shaq will be in the argument once his career's done, and in the end he might be the GOAT (ok, I'm a Shaq stan... lmao but he is the most physically dominate center ever).

Wilt is the most physically dominant center ever, with a doubt. Shaq is big, strong, and fat. But Wilt was a pure freak for his time. Saying Russell beat Wilt when they played makes him the better center is insane.  Look at the teams Russell was on LOL.  As for Duncan and Gasol, lol. They arent listed at PF because of Shaq lol.  Duncan took on the PF position because he got drafted by a team that had David Robinson.  He has been a PF ever since.  It doesnt matter what position you are listed at, you can guard any player on the court.  Fact of the matter is, a lot of times star bigmen dont guard other star bigmen because the potential for fouls is too high.

[M Dogg™]

Hakeem... GOAT center??

hum....

I would say Russell (and I'm a Laker fan??) I always trade off between him and Wilt, but the more I think about it, Russell always beat Wilt, no matter the team Wilt was on, and Russell was maybe the best defensive center ever. Russell's defense lead him to beat Wilt, and that would put you over your counterpart. And Bill Russell was a center, in 2009, he'd be a power foward, but he'd be a power foward like Tim Duncan or Pau Gasol is a power foward. They are true centers, but in order to have a better defensive game plan against centers like Shaq and Howard, you put them to power foward and let some one else give 6 fouls.

But end of day, Russell never played PF, and so his a center, he beat Wilt more often than not, and because of that his better than Wilt. Kareem is in the argument, and Shaq will be in the argument once his career's done, and in the end he might be the GOAT (ok, I'm a Shaq stan... lmao but he is the most physically dominate center ever).

Wilt is the most physically dominant center ever, with a doubt. Shaq is big, strong, and fat. But Wilt was a pure freak for his time. Saying Russell beat Wilt when they played makes him the better center is insane.  Look at the teams Russell was on LOL.  As for Duncan and Gasol, lol. They arent listed at PF because of Shaq lol.  Duncan took on the PF position because he got drafted by a team that had David Robinson.  He has been a PF ever since.  It doesnt matter what position you are listed at, you can guard any player on the court.  Fact of the matter is, a lot of times star bigmen dont guard other star bigmen because the potential for fouls is too high.

Still mad at Shaq fir those playoff beatings... what was it, a clean sweep in 2001... oh, and 4-1 in 2002

Duncan did switch back to C for a while after Robinson retired, but the Spurs realized that they had better match ups with Duncan at PF. It wasn't because of Shaq, it's all about match ups, someone else said it was Shaq. The game is changing though, and it's leading to many good big men who would be centers, now becoming PFs, especially if they are more of a skilled big as oppose to a back to the basket bigs. But in the end, it's all match ups, and for the Spurs, it makes sense to have Duncan at PF, and his the best PF that ever did it, I ain't mad at him. I still think of him as a true center, but Gasol is also a true center, especially for the triangle, but match up wise it's better to have Bynum bang with Howard and have Gasol at PF, it's working for us too.

As for Wilt/Russell, I would agree with you except for one issue. In 1969, the Wilt Chamberlain finally joined a team that could help him beat the Celtics again. Russell's teams had always gotten the better of Wilt's teams, save 1967 when Wit's Philadelphia 76er's team finally got past the Celtics, but with the Los Angeles Lakers, Wilt was surrounded by the best shooter in Jerry West and the best slasher in Elgin Baylor to finally help the Lakers beat the Celtics. So it all made sense, the Lakers and Wilt come together to finally beat the Celtics. Bill Russell had taken over the role of player-coach. Now Wilt's injury in game 7 hurt the Lakers, but it was West, not Wilt, who lead the Lakers. Russell>>Wilt.

[Now_Im_Not_Banned]

Hakeem... GOAT center??

hum....

I would say Russell (and I'm a Laker fan??) I always trade off between him and Wilt, but the more I think about it, Russell always beat Wilt, no matter the team Wilt was on, and Russell was maybe the best defensive center ever. Russell's defense lead him to beat Wilt, and that would put you over your counterpart. And Bill Russell was a center, in 2009, he'd be a power foward, but he'd be a power foward like Tim Duncan or Pau Gasol is a power foward. They are true centers, but in order to have a better defensive game plan against centers like Shaq and Howard, you put them to power foward and let some one else give 6 fouls.

But end of day, Russell never played PF, and so his a center, he beat Wilt more often than not, and because of that his better than Wilt. Kareem is in the argument, and Shaq will be in the argument once his career's done, and in the end he might be the GOAT (ok, I'm a Shaq stan... lmao but he is the most physically dominate center ever).

Wilt is the most physically dominant center ever, with a doubt. Shaq is big, strong, and fat. But Wilt was a pure freak for his time. Saying Russell beat Wilt when they played makes him the better center is insane.  Look at the teams Russell was on LOL.  As for Duncan and Gasol, lol. They arent listed at PF because of Shaq lol.  Duncan took on the PF position because he got drafted by a team that had David Robinson.  He has been a PF ever since.  It doesnt matter what position you are listed at, you can guard any player on the court.  Fact of the matter is, a lot of times star bigmen dont guard other star bigmen because the potential for fouls is too high.

Still mad at Shaq fir those playoff beatings... what was it, a clean sweep in 2001... oh, and 4-1 in 2002

Duncan did switch back to C for a while after Robinson retired, but the Spurs realized that they had better match ups with Duncan at PF. It wasn't because of Shaq, it's all about match ups, someone else said it was Shaq. The game is changing though, and it's leading to many good big men who would be centers, now becoming PFs, especially if they are more of a skilled big as oppose to a back to the basket bigs. But in the end, it's all match ups, and for the Spurs, it makes sense to have Duncan at PF, and his the best PF that ever did it, I ain't mad at him. I still think of him as a true center, but Gasol is also a true center, especially for the triangle, but match up wise it's better to have Bynum bang with Howard and have Gasol at PF, it's working for us too.

As for Wilt/Russell, I would agree with you except for one issue. In 1969, the Wilt Chamberlain finally joined a team that could help him beat the Celtics again. Russell's teams had always gotten the better of Wilt's teams, save 1967 when Wit's Philadelphia 76er's team finally got past the Celtics, but with the Los Angeles Lakers, Wilt was surrounded by the best shooter in Jerry West and the best slasher in Elgin Baylor to finally help the Lakers beat the Celtics. So it all made sense, the Lakers and Wilt come together to finally beat the Celtics. Bill Russell had taken over the role of player-coach. Now Wilt's injury in game 7 hurt the Lakers, but it was West, not Wilt, who lead the Lakers. Russell>>Wilt.

mdogg, you know better than this...LOL. come on, now. the Wilt that finally was surrounded by a good team was a Wilt way out of his prime. You take Wilt in his prime and surround him with a team like that for a decade, and no way Russell gets those 11...NO WAY. Wilt>Russell...PeACe

[M Dogg™]

Hakeem... GOAT center??

hum....

I would say Russell (and I'm a Laker fan??) I always trade off between him and Wilt, but the more I think about it, Russell always beat Wilt, no matter the team Wilt was on, and Russell was maybe the best defensive center ever. Russell's defense lead him to beat Wilt, and that would put you over your counterpart. And Bill Russell was a center, in 2009, he'd be a power foward, but he'd be a power foward like Tim Duncan or Pau Gasol is a power foward. They are true centers, but in order to have a better defensive game plan against centers like Shaq and Howard, you put them to power foward and let some one else give 6 fouls.

But end of day, Russell never played PF, and so his a center, he beat Wilt more often than not, and because of that his better than Wilt. Kareem is in the argument, and Shaq will be in the argument once his career's done, and in the end he might be the GOAT (ok, I'm a Shaq stan... lmao but he is the most physically dominate center ever).

Wilt is the most physically dominant center ever, with a doubt. Shaq is big, strong, and fat. But Wilt was a pure freak for his time. Saying Russell beat Wilt when they played makes him the better center is insane.  Look at the teams Russell was on LOL.  As for Duncan and Gasol, lol. They arent listed at PF because of Shaq lol.  Duncan took on the PF position because he got drafted by a team that had David Robinson.  He has been a PF ever since.  It doesnt matter what position you are listed at, you can guard any player on the court.  Fact of the matter is, a lot of times star bigmen dont guard other star bigmen because the potential for fouls is too high.

Still mad at Shaq fir those playoff beatings... what was it, a clean sweep in 2001... oh, and 4-1 in 2002

Duncan did switch back to C for a while after Robinson retired, but the Spurs realized that they had better match ups with Duncan at PF. It wasn't because of Shaq, it's all about match ups, someone else said it was Shaq. The game is changing though, and it's leading to many good big men who would be centers, now becoming PFs, especially if they are more of a skilled big as oppose to a back to the basket bigs. But in the end, it's all match ups, and for the Spurs, it makes sense to have Duncan at PF, and his the best PF that ever did it, I ain't mad at him. I still think of him as a true center, but Gasol is also a true center, especially for the triangle, but match up wise it's better to have Bynum bang with Howard and have Gasol at PF, it's working for us too.

As for Wilt/Russell, I would agree with you except for one issue. In 1969, the Wilt Chamberlain finally joined a team that could help him beat the Celtics again. Russell's teams had always gotten the better of Wilt's teams, save 1967 when Wit's Philadelphia 76er's team finally got past the Celtics, but with the Los Angeles Lakers, Wilt was surrounded by the best shooter in Jerry West and the best slasher in Elgin Baylor to finally help the Lakers beat the Celtics. So it all made sense, the Lakers and Wilt come together to finally beat the Celtics. Bill Russell had taken over the role of player-coach. Now Wilt's injury in game 7 hurt the Lakers, but it was West, not Wilt, who lead the Lakers. Russell>>Wilt.

mdogg, you know better than this...LOL. come on, now. the Wilt that finally was surrounded by a good team was a Wilt way out of his prime. You take Wilt in his prime and surround him with a team like that for a decade, and no way Russell gets those 11...NO WAY. Wilt>Russell...PeACe

yeah, but Wilt was also 2 years younger than Russell, and Russell was a player coach, the ultimate leadership role. In 1969, Wilt might have been 32, but he still had a great team to beat the Celtics, and it still didn't get done. As I said, Wilt did get injured in game 7, this caused a huge beef between him and his coach, but looking at the match ups the Lakers should have beat the Celtics in either 5 or 6 games. On paper, the 1969 might have been the greatest team ever, but when the game was actually played Bill Russell's last game was taking the NBA trophy in the Forum yet again. Almost as great as a good bye as Jordan's last shot as a Bull. That's GOAT center status.

[Now_Im_Not_Banned]

Hakeem... GOAT center??

hum....

I would say Russell (and I'm a Laker fan??) I always trade off between him and Wilt, but the more I think about it, Russell always beat Wilt, no matter the team Wilt was on, and Russell was maybe the best defensive center ever. Russell's defense lead him to beat Wilt, and that would put you over your counterpart. And Bill Russell was a center, in 2009, he'd be a power foward, but he'd be a power foward like Tim Duncan or Pau Gasol is a power foward. They are true centers, but in order to have a better defensive game plan against centers like Shaq and Howard, you put them to power foward and let some one else give 6 fouls.

But end of day, Russell never played PF, and so his a center, he beat Wilt more often than not, and because of that his better than Wilt. Kareem is in the argument, and Shaq will be in the argument once his career's done, and in the end he might be the GOAT (ok, I'm a Shaq stan... lmao but he is the most physically dominate center ever).

Wilt is the most physically dominant center ever, with a doubt. Shaq is big, strong, and fat. But Wilt was a pure freak for his time. Saying Russell beat Wilt when they played makes him the better center is insane.  Look at the teams Russell was on LOL.  As for Duncan and Gasol, lol. They arent listed at PF because of Shaq lol.  Duncan took on the PF position because he got drafted by a team that had David Robinson.  He has been a PF ever since.  It doesnt matter what position you are listed at, you can guard any player on the court.  Fact of the matter is, a lot of times star bigmen dont guard other star bigmen because the potential for fouls is too high.

Still mad at Shaq fir those playoff beatings... what was it, a clean sweep in 2001... oh, and 4-1 in 2002

Duncan did switch back to C for a while after Robinson retired, but the Spurs realized that they had better match ups with Duncan at PF. It wasn't because of Shaq, it's all about match ups, someone else said it was Shaq. The game is changing though, and it's leading to many good big men who would be centers, now becoming PFs, especially if they are more of a skilled big as oppose to a back to the basket bigs. But in the end, it's all match ups, and for the Spurs, it makes sense to have Duncan at PF, and his the best PF that ever did it, I ain't mad at him. I still think of him as a true center, but Gasol is also a true center, especially for the triangle, but match up wise it's better to have Bynum bang with Howard and have Gasol at PF, it's working for us too.

As for Wilt/Russell, I would agree with you except for one issue. In 1969, the Wilt Chamberlain finally joined a team that could help him beat the Celtics again. Russell's teams had always gotten the better of Wilt's teams, save 1967 when Wit's Philadelphia 76er's team finally got past the Celtics, but with the Los Angeles Lakers, Wilt was surrounded by the best shooter in Jerry West and the best slasher in Elgin Baylor to finally help the Lakers beat the Celtics. So it all made sense, the Lakers and Wilt come together to finally beat the Celtics. Bill Russell had taken over the role of player-coach. Now Wilt's injury in game 7 hurt the Lakers, but it was West, not Wilt, who lead the Lakers. Russell>>Wilt.

mdogg, you know better than this...LOL. come on, now. the Wilt that finally was surrounded by a good team was a Wilt way out of his prime. You take Wilt in his prime and surround him with a team like that for a decade, and no way Russell gets those 11...NO WAY. Wilt>Russell...PeACe

yeah, but Wilt was also 2 years younger than Russell, and Russell was a player coach, the ultimate leadership role. In 1969, Wilt might have been 32, but he still had a great team to beat the Celtics, and it still didn't get done. As I said, Wilt did get injured in game 7, this caused a huge beef between him and his coach, but looking at the match ups the Lakers should have beat the Celtics in either 5 or 6 games. On paper, the 1969 might have been the greatest team ever, but when the game was actually played Bill Russell's last game was taking the NBA trophy in the Forum yet again. Almost as great as a good bye as Jordan's last shot as a Bull. That's GOAT center status.

the point is, if wilt in his prime had a great team built around him, there is no way russell would have done him as dirty as he did....as an individual player, wilt was easily better. he had a stronger arsenal and played exceptional on both ends of the court. russell was a great player-coach, maybe the greatest ever. he knew how to lead a team of legends like no other, while being on the court. but as an individual player, he wasn't as gifted as wilt...the fact that russell was blessed with a better opportunity should not be held against wilt. lets judge them as players. wilt was better...but honestly, none of this really matters, as Kareem was the GOAT ...PeACe

[thisoneguy360]

He's probably my favorite to watch, loved his finesse style and amazing skill set, but I definitely wouldn't say he's "the best"

[M Dogg™]

Hakeem... GOAT center??

hum....

I would say Russell (and I'm a Laker fan??) I always trade off between him and Wilt, but the more I think about it, Russell always beat Wilt, no matter the team Wilt was on, and Russell was maybe the best defensive center ever. Russell's defense lead him to beat Wilt, and that would put you over your counterpart. And Bill Russell was a center, in 2009, he'd be a power foward, but he'd be a power foward like Tim Duncan or Pau Gasol is a power foward. They are true centers, but in order to have a better defensive game plan against centers like Shaq and Howard, you put them to power foward and let some one else give 6 fouls.

But end of day, Russell never played PF, and so his a center, he beat Wilt more often than not, and because of that his better than Wilt. Kareem is in the argument, and Shaq will be in the argument once his career's done, and in the end he might be the GOAT (ok, I'm a Shaq stan... lmao but he is the most physically dominate center ever).

Wilt is the most physically dominant center ever, with a doubt. Shaq is big, strong, and fat. But Wilt was a pure freak for his time. Saying Russell beat Wilt when they played makes him the better center is insane.  Look at the teams Russell was on LOL.  As for Duncan and Gasol, lol. They arent listed at PF because of Shaq lol.  Duncan took on the PF position because he got drafted by a team that had David Robinson.  He has been a PF ever since.  It doesnt matter what position you are listed at, you can guard any player on the court.  Fact of the matter is, a lot of times star bigmen dont guard other star bigmen because the potential for fouls is too high.

Still mad at Shaq fir those playoff beatings... what was it, a clean sweep in 2001... oh, and 4-1 in 2002

Duncan did switch back to C for a while after Robinson retired, but the Spurs realized that they had better match ups with Duncan at PF. It wasn't because of Shaq, it's all about match ups, someone else said it was Shaq. The game is changing though, and it's leading to many good big men who would be centers, now becoming PFs, especially if they are more of a skilled big as oppose to a back to the basket bigs. But in the end, it's all match ups, and for the Spurs, it makes sense to have Duncan at PF, and his the best PF that ever did it, I ain't mad at him. I still think of him as a true center, but Gasol is also a true center, especially for the triangle, but match up wise it's better to have Bynum bang with Howard and have Gasol at PF, it's working for us too.

As for Wilt/Russell, I would agree with you except for one issue. In 1969, the Wilt Chamberlain finally joined a team that could help him beat the Celtics again. Russell's teams had always gotten the better of Wilt's teams, save 1967 when Wit's Philadelphia 76er's team finally got past the Celtics, but with the Los Angeles Lakers, Wilt was surrounded by the best shooter in Jerry West and the best slasher in Elgin Baylor to finally help the Lakers beat the Celtics. So it all made sense, the Lakers and Wilt come together to finally beat the Celtics. Bill Russell had taken over the role of player-coach. Now Wilt's injury in game 7 hurt the Lakers, but it was West, not Wilt, who lead the Lakers. Russell>>Wilt.

mdogg, you know better than this...LOL. come on, now. the Wilt that finally was surrounded by a good team was a Wilt way out of his prime. You take Wilt in his prime and surround him with a team like that for a decade, and no way Russell gets those 11...NO WAY. Wilt>Russell...PeACe

yeah, but Wilt was also 2 years younger than Russell, and Russell was a player coach, the ultimate leadership role. In 1969, Wilt might have been 32, but he still had a great team to beat the Celtics, and it still didn't get done. As I said, Wilt did get injured in game 7, this caused a huge beef between him and his coach, but looking at the match ups the Lakers should have beat the Celtics in either 5 or 6 games. On paper, the 1969 might have been the greatest team ever, but when the game was actually played Bill Russell's last game was taking the NBA trophy in the Forum yet again. Almost as great as a good bye as Jordan's last shot as a Bull. That's GOAT center status.

the point is, if wilt in his prime had a great team built around him, there is no way russell would have done him as dirty as he did....as an individual player, wilt was easily better. he had a stronger arsenal and played exceptional on both ends of the court. russell was a great player-coach, maybe the greatest ever. he knew how to lead a team of legends like no other, while being on the court. but as an individual player, he wasn't as gifted as wilt...the fact that russell was blessed with a better opportunity should not be held against wilt. lets judge them as players. wilt was better...but honestly, none of this really matters, as Kareem was the GOAT ...PeACe

LOL... I'd still put Russell over Kareem. Ask me again in a year, it might change, but the more I have looked at it, the more Russell is the GOAT center to me.

[Now_Im_Not_Banned]

Hakeem... GOAT center??

hum....

I would say Russell (and I'm a Laker fan??) I always trade off between him and Wilt, but the more I think about it, Russell always beat Wilt, no matter the team Wilt was on, and Russell was maybe the best defensive center ever. Russell's defense lead him to beat Wilt, and that would put you over your counterpart. And Bill Russell was a center, in 2009, he'd be a power foward, but he'd be a power foward like Tim Duncan or Pau Gasol is a power foward. They are true centers, but in order to have a better defensive game plan against centers like Shaq and Howard, you put them to power foward and let some one else give 6 fouls.

But end of day, Russell never played PF, and so his a center, he beat Wilt more often than not, and because of that his better than Wilt. Kareem is in the argument, and Shaq will be in the argument once his career's done, and in the end he might be the GOAT (ok, I'm a Shaq stan... lmao but he is the most physically dominate center ever).

Wilt is the most physically dominant center ever, with a doubt. Shaq is big, strong, and fat. But Wilt was a pure freak for his time. Saying Russell beat Wilt when they played makes him the better center is insane.  Look at the teams Russell was on LOL.  As for Duncan and Gasol, lol. They arent listed at PF because of Shaq lol.  Duncan took on the PF position because he got drafted by a team that had David Robinson.  He has been a PF ever since.  It doesnt matter what position you are listed at, you can guard any player on the court.  Fact of the matter is, a lot of times star bigmen dont guard other star bigmen because the potential for fouls is too high.

Still mad at Shaq fir those playoff beatings... what was it, a clean sweep in 2001... oh, and 4-1 in 2002

Duncan did switch back to C for a while after Robinson retired, but the Spurs realized that they had better match ups with Duncan at PF. It wasn't because of Shaq, it's all about match ups, someone else said it was Shaq. The game is changing though, and it's leading to many good big men who would be centers, now becoming PFs, especially if they are more of a skilled big as oppose to a back to the basket bigs. But in the end, it's all match ups, and for the Spurs, it makes sense to have Duncan at PF, and his the best PF that ever did it, I ain't mad at him. I still think of him as a true center, but Gasol is also a true center, especially for the triangle, but match up wise it's better to have Bynum bang with Howard and have Gasol at PF, it's working for us too.

As for Wilt/Russell, I would agree with you except for one issue. In 1969, the Wilt Chamberlain finally joined a team that could help him beat the Celtics again. Russell's teams had always gotten the better of Wilt's teams, save 1967 when Wit's Philadelphia 76er's team finally got past the Celtics, but with the Los Angeles Lakers, Wilt was surrounded by the best shooter in Jerry West and the best slasher in Elgin Baylor to finally help the Lakers beat the Celtics. So it all made sense, the Lakers and Wilt come together to finally beat the Celtics. Bill Russell had taken over the role of player-coach. Now Wilt's injury in game 7 hurt the Lakers, but it was West, not Wilt, who lead the Lakers. Russell>>Wilt.

mdogg, you know better than this...LOL. come on, now. the Wilt that finally was surrounded by a good team was a Wilt way out of his prime. You take Wilt in his prime and surround him with a team like that for a decade, and no way Russell gets those 11...NO WAY. Wilt>Russell...PeACe

yeah, but Wilt was also 2 years younger than Russell, and Russell was a player coach, the ultimate leadership role. In 1969, Wilt might have been 32, but he still had a great team to beat the Celtics, and it still didn't get done. As I said, Wilt did get injured in game 7, this caused a huge beef between him and his coach, but looking at the match ups the Lakers should have beat the Celtics in either 5 or 6 games. On paper, the 1969 might have been the greatest team ever, but when the game was actually played Bill Russell's last game was taking the NBA trophy in the Forum yet again. Almost as great as a good bye as Jordan's last shot as a Bull. That's GOAT center status.

the point is, if wilt in his prime had a great team built around him, there is no way russell would have done him as dirty as he did....as an individual player, wilt was easily better. he had a stronger arsenal and played exceptional on both ends of the court. russell was a great player-coach, maybe the greatest ever. he knew how to lead a team of legends like no other, while being on the court. but as an individual player, he wasn't as gifted as wilt...the fact that russell was blessed with a better opportunity should not be held against wilt. lets judge them as players. wilt was better...but honestly, none of this really matters, as Kareem was the GOAT ...PeACe

LOL... I'd still put Russell over Kareem. Ask me again in a year, it might change, but the more I have looked at it, the more Russell is the GOAT center to me.

and how exactly would Russell use his amazing defense to block the unblockable sky-hook? LOL. please elaborate...i'd love to hear this.

[.:DaYg0sTyLz:.]

You have to throw Russell's championships out the window in this comparison.  To me, you only use team accomplishments to determine greatness if you are comparing two players who are truly equal. Where you are at a stalemate as to who was actually the better player.  Anyways, this could go on and on...

[DJ SUGAFREE QUIK]

Thats a tough one.  I dunno if there is ONE greatest when it comes to centers.  You have one large group basically, with Wilt, Kareem, Russell, Hakeem, Robinson, Ewing, and Shaq.  If youre looking at all time, you cant compare them to eachother because the more recent centers would naturally be more athletic and typically better skillwise.  But for their time, id Have to give the nod to either Wilt, or Kareem. Hakeem, Robinson, Ewing, and even Shaq all had eachother to go against. Which was great to see all these centers match up. But you were never able to say "THIS guy is the best center in the league for this era". With Wilt and Kareem you could say that, for their respective era, they were the best.

All of those centers were different.  But Hakeem is probably the best all around center ever.  Lots, of points, rebounds, assists, blocks & steals.  I think he even had a few seasons where he reached triple digits in assists & steals.  Very rare for centers.

[OG Hack Wilson]

Thats a tough one.  I dunno if there is ONE greatest when it comes to centers.  You have one large group basically, with Wilt, Kareem, Russell, Hakeem, Robinson, Ewing, and Shaq.  If youre looking at all time, you cant compare them to eachother because the more recent centers would naturally be more athletic and typically better skillwise.  But for their time, id Have to give the nod to either Wilt, or Kareem. Hakeem, Robinson, Ewing, and even Shaq all had eachother to go against. Which was great to see all these centers match up. But you were never able to say "THIS guy is the best center in the league for this era". With Wilt and Kareem you could say that, for their respective era, they were the best.

All of those centers were different.  But Hakeem is probably the best all around center ever.  Lots, of points, rebounds, assists, blocks & steals.  I think he even had a few seasons where he reached triple digits in assists & steals.  Very rare for centers.

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Thats a tough one.  I dunno if there is ONE greatest when it comes to centers.  You have one large group basically, with Wilt, Kareem, Russell, Hakeem, Robinson, Ewing, and Shaq.  If youre looking at all time, you cant compare them to eachother because the more recent centers would naturally be more athletic and typically better skillwise.  But for their time, id Have to give the nod to either Wilt, or Kareem. Hakeem, Robinson, Ewing, and even Shaq all had eachother to go against. Which was great to see all these centers match up. But you were never able to say "THIS guy is the best center in the league for this era". With Wilt and Kareem you could say that, for their respective era, they were the best.

All of those centers were different.  But Hakeem is probably the best all around center ever.  Lots, of points, rebounds, assists, blocks & steals.  I think he even had a few seasons where he reached triple digits in assists & steals.  Very rare for centers.

as far as all around, youd give it to Robinson.  How many years did he have where he was in the top 10 in the league in over 5 different categories? lol. Im a Spurs fan, and I wouldnt say Robinson is the best ever. But he's in the group of greats.

[OG Hack Wilson]

i dont think David Robinson is even close to top 5!



Bill Russell
Wilt Chamberlain
Hakeem Olajuwan
Shaquille O'neal
Kareem Abdoul JAbbar
Tim Duncan (honorary center)
Moses Malone
Patrick Ewing
David Robinson
Dikembe Mutumbo  (only because he built that hospital in africa lol)