Pedro Martinez vs Randy Johnson

[herpes]

Who do you think is the better pitcher ?  I see people in the Randy gets 300 wins thread saying RJ is better than Pedro.  I would pick Pedro anyday over RJ.

[Chamillitary Click]

i think i would take RJ.

Pedro had the injury problems, but i guess that's too bad, right?

Randy = 300 wins, more strikeouts, 5 Cy Youngs, a perfect game & no hitter & a little fun fact; he has defeated every team in the majors at least once lol.

i'd take RJ, but Pedro was one of the best when he was healthy & in his prime.

[OG Hack Wilson]

randy was better for innings in a season - he could get you 250+



pedro was better during the 150-220 innings he gave you

[Twentytwofifty]

It's tough, I think Pedro was better in his prime but Randy has the longevity on him.  Pedro has a better career ERA and WHIP, Randy has more hardware and All-Star appearances too.

[thisoneguy360]

Yeah it's all about longevity. Pedro in his prime was the best pitcher in the world but RJ obviously had a better career.

[thisoneguy360]

If you're talking about careers then Johnson wins but when Pedro was in his prime he was the best pitcher in baseball.

[herpes]

I take Pedro any day of the week over RJ.  He had a better ERA and is 2nd all time in adjusted ERA.  He has a better career win percentage which is 7th all time.  The best WHIP in the monder era by a starter.  Per 9 RJ only averaged half a K more than Pedro.   He had the two greatest seasons by a pitcher in 99 and 2000 during the steroid era while pitching in the AL and in a hitters park.  From 1997-03 is unmatched.  RJ has longevity on his side.

[Don Jacob]

that's a good question, but i guess overall it'd depend.

[OG Hack Wilson]

I take Pedro any day of the week over RJ.  He had a better ERA and is 2nd all time in adjusted ERA.  He has a better career win percentage which is 7th all time.  The best WHIP in the monder era by a starter.  Per 9 RJ only averaged half a K more than Pedro.   He had the two greatest seasons by a pitcher in 99 and 2000 during the steroid era while pitching in the AL and in a hitters park.  From 1997-03 is unmatched.  RJ has longevity on his side.

pitching 50+ more innings a year = a slightly higher ERa


i can live with that knowing my guy is going 270 innigs instead of 210

[J.D. Wykid, Esq.]

the unit, any day of the week.

[herpes]

I take Pedro any day of the week over RJ.  He had a better ERA and is 2nd all time in adjusted ERA.  He has a better career win percentage which is 7th all time.  The best WHIP in the monder era by a starter.  Per 9 RJ only averaged half a K more than Pedro.   He had the two greatest seasons by a pitcher in 99 and 2000 during the steroid era while pitching in the AL and in a hitters park.  From 1997-03 is unmatched.  RJ has longevity on his side.

pitching 50+ more innings a year = a slightly higher ERa


i can live with that knowing my guy is going 270 innigs instead of 210

RJ only went 270 innings once in his career.  And Pedro averaged 218 innings per season compared to RJ's 231.  So the difference isn't as big as you think.  And Pedros adjusted ERA trumps RJ's.

[S P I C E]

Well for those few years that Pedro was in his prime I would definitely pick him but over the course of their careers I would easily pick Randy.

["THE" MoSav]

Such a tough choice

[OG Hack Wilson]

teflon tom, you had to push me




Pedro's top 10 years in innings:  241.1, 233.2, 217, 217, 217, 216.2, 213.1, 191.1, 194.2, 186.2


Randy's top 10 years in innings: 271.2, 260, 249.2, 248.2, 255.1, 245.2, 244.1, 225.2, 219.2, 214.1

look at how many more innings per season Randy was capable of getting your team!

Pedro's best 5 year span: (1997-2001): 1022 innings pitched, 2.18 ERA (215 ERA+), 1316 K, 84 wins 28 losses, 29 complete games, 11 shut-outs, 0.926 WHIP

Randy's best 5 year span: (1998-2002): 1274.1 innings pitched, 2.63 ERA (175 ERA+), 1746 K, 100 wins 38 losses 41 complete games, 17 shut outs, 1.070 WHIP

as you can see here, Randy pitches 252 more innings in 5 years (50 per year), he gets me more complete games, wins and shut-outs.  his ERA is higher because of the extra workage but 2.63 is AMAZING considering the offensive stats during those years



I'd take Pedro for a game in his prime, but for a season i'd easily take Randy Johnson in his prime.

stats courtesy:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/j/johnsra05.shtml
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/martipe02.shtml

[herpes]

teflon tom, you had to push me




Pedro's top 10 years in innings:  241.1, 233.2, 217, 217, 217, 216.2, 213.1, 191.1, 194.2, 186.2


Randy's top 10 years in innings: 271.2, 260, 249.2, 248.2, 255.1, 245.2, 244.1, 225.2, 219.2, 214.1

look at how many more innings per season Randy was capable of getting your team!

Pedro's best 5 year span: (1997-2001): 1022 innings pitched, 2.18 ERA (215 ERA+), 1316 K, 84 wins 28 losses, 29 complete games, 11 shut-outs, 0.926 WHIP

Randy's best 5 year span: (1998-2002): 1274.1 innings pitched, 2.63 ERA (175 ERA+), 1746 K, 100 wins 38 losses 41 complete games, 17 shut outs, 1.070 WHIP

as you can see here, Randy pitches 252 more innings in 5 years (50 per year), he gets me more complete games, wins and shut-outs.  his ERA is higher because of the extra workage but 2.63 is AMAZING considering the offensive stats during those years



I'd take Pedro for a game in his prime, but for a season i'd easily take Randy Johnson in his prime.

stats courtesy:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/j/johnsra05.shtml
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/martipe02.shtml

I'd take Pedro in his prime any day of the week over RJ