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M Dogg™:
One more puts him in the top 5 all time, only Russell, Wilt, MJ and Magic I think off hand being better, and I think Kobe is over Wilt and one more gets him over Russell. Magic will be hard, because that's a different type of player, Magic made his greatness off leadership, he can dominate a game and not score a point. MJ is who Kobe is chasing, and he'd need 3 more to be over MJ. Those two have one measuring stick, and that's ring. We can argue for days, our arguments don't count. Kobe and MJ see rings and hard evidence. We can talk all we want, they know.
.:DaYg0sTyLz:.:
--- Quote from: el creepo on June 14, 2009, 09:31:51 PM ---^ I disagree in a sense
7 over 6 would do it, in my opinion
but until he even gets 6, he shouldn't be mentioned in front of Jordan
5 still won't be enough, he needs 6 or 7 to even argue about the 2 players
7 is insane though, I think that would say somethin.. ya know?
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I get what youre saying. I just think there are SO many factors to being an all time great. Kobe will, without a doubt, go down as one of the best all time players. This is the reason I dont see Kobe ever surpassing Jordan. When Jordan was in the league, there were a ton of great players before him. There was Magic, Bird, Russell, Wilt, Kareem, Dr J, etc...etc. BUT, in the midst of his career...there was already no doubt that he was the best ever. You KNEW you were watching the best player ever. There was hardly any debate against it. Kobe, being in the later part of his career, is still trying to prove he is the best Laker ever.
Hatesrats™:
--- Quote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on June 14, 2009, 09:46:48 PM ---
--- Quote from: el creepo on June 14, 2009, 09:31:51 PM ---^ I disagree in a sense
7 over 6 would do it, in my opinion
but until he even gets 6, he shouldn't be mentioned in front of Jordan
5 still won't be enough, he needs 6 or 7 to even argue about the 2 players
7 is insane though, I think that would say somethin.. ya know?
--- End quote ---
I get what youre saying. I just think there are SO many factors to being an all time great. Kobe will, without a doubt, go down as one of the best all time players. This is the reason I dont see Kobe ever surpassing Jordan. When Jordan was in the league, there were a ton of great players before him. There was Magic, Bird, Russell, Wilt, Kareem, Dr J, etc...etc. BUT, in the midst of his career...there was already no doubt that he was the best ever. You KNEW you were watching the best player ever. There was hardly any debate against it. Kobe, being in the later part of his career, is still trying to prove he is the best Laker ever.
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Word! But Kobe being in his 6th finals will defo hold some weight later in time. (Including 4 Champs)
I hate these types of threads, because obviously Jordan was walking on water in his prime.
But having the privilege to watch Kobe do his thing every game, I must say. Bryant is as good.
and being in his early 30's, There is always room for more.
Hatesrats™:
I wish I could hear MJ's opinion on this comparison.
anyone have any video of it?
Don Jacob:
i see where someone could include the intangibles about jordan , he generated billions into the economy, but i think 3 champiionships (7) CAN put him over jordan....let's face it, kobe is just as good as jordan offensively , that has ALWAYS been the case. defensively you can make the argument, both have the same tendancies to suffocate or collapse on the perimeter. but the intangibles and wins...is what will separate them.
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