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M Dogg™:
--- Quote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on June 14, 2009, 09:46:48 PM ---
--- Quote from: el creepo on June 14, 2009, 09:31:51 PM ---^ I disagree in a sense
7 over 6 would do it, in my opinion
but until he even gets 6, he shouldn't be mentioned in front of Jordan
5 still won't be enough, he needs 6 or 7 to even argue about the 2 players
7 is insane though, I think that would say somethin.. ya know?
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I get what youre saying. I just think there are SO many factors to being an all time great. Kobe will, without a doubt, go down as one of the best all time players. This is the reason I dont see Kobe ever surpassing Jordan. When Jordan was in the league, there were a ton of great players before him. There was Magic, Bird, Russell, Wilt, Kareem, Dr J, etc...etc. BUT, in the midst of his career...there was already no doubt that he was the best ever. You KNEW you were watching the best player ever. There was hardly any debate against it. Kobe, being in the later part of his career, is still trying to prove he is the best Laker ever.
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what you have is someone who's in position to pass Jordan, and it wasn't until Jordan's comeback that you truly knew he was the greatest. In the first 3 peat, you saw greatness, and people put him up there with the greats, but there was a ton of people that still argued Russell or Magic was the greatest, that Wilt was more dominate or that Larry Bird had that will. What Jordan did in the second 3 peat was rest all doubts, and in the decline of his career, he continued to dominate everyone, he was more dominate that a young Shaq, he had more will to win than anyone else in NBA history, and his leadership skills were so far advance that only Magic Johnson could have had the loyalty Jordan had. Jordan put to rest everythingi in his second comeback. He retires striking out in minor league baseball, his one of the all time greats, but his not the greatest, that's for debate.
Muhammad Ali called himself the greatest. But until he beat George Foreman, and showed his will to win, he wasn't the greatest in peoples minds. His in the conversation with Joe Louis and Rocky Marciano, but his not the greatest. Kobe Bryant right now, is at the down slope of his career. He has 2 or 3 more prime years, and then it's that time were you hold on too long. Jordan originally retired at the age of 35, the time when most are in their twilight, but MJ was arguably still the best in the world, and proved it by winning titles. Kobe, if his to be in the conversation with MJ has to win. And win and win and win and win, and not only win, but beat Lebron James, beat the Celtics with KG and Pierce, beat the Magic with Superman, beat everyone put in his way, because the only way he can even be looked at MJ's level is by stepping up, and showing that will to win. He does not have to be at his physical best, in fact when calling our GOATs, we don't look for that, it seems people look for who can do it for a long period of time and who can do it even when their knees give out, and they should be bed ridden with the flu and when they are against someone younger and more physically dominating than them. I say this, if Kobe wins 3 more titles, and beats LeBron for at least the last one, and retires, we'll look at it as Muhammad beating Foreman, and Kobe goes out the GOAT. If Kobe loses to Lebron, we'll look at it as Magic losing to MJ, and the passing of the torch and Kobe goes with West, Magic, Russell, Wilt, and all the others in that argument over second best.
Hatesrats™:
--- Quote from: M Dogg on June 14, 2009, 10:11:33 PM ---
--- Quote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on June 14, 2009, 09:46:48 PM ---
--- Quote from: el creepo on June 14, 2009, 09:31:51 PM ---^ I disagree in a sense
7 over 6 would do it, in my opinion
but until he even gets 6, he shouldn't be mentioned in front of Jordan
5 still won't be enough, he needs 6 or 7 to even argue about the 2 players
7 is insane though, I think that would say somethin.. ya know?
--- End quote ---
I get what youre saying. I just think there are SO many factors to being an all time great. Kobe will, without a doubt, go down as one of the best all time players. This is the reason I dont see Kobe ever surpassing Jordan. When Jordan was in the league, there were a ton of great players before him. There was Magic, Bird, Russell, Wilt, Kareem, Dr J, etc...etc. BUT, in the midst of his career...there was already no doubt that he was the best ever. You KNEW you were watching the best player ever. There was hardly any debate against it. Kobe, being in the later part of his career, is still trying to prove he is the best Laker ever.
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what you have is someone who's in position to pass Jordan, and it wasn't until Jordan's comeback that you truly knew he was the greatest. In the first 3 peat, you saw greatness, and people put him up there with the greats, but there was a ton of people that still argued Russell or Magic was the greatest, that Wilt was more dominate or that Larry Bird had that will. What Jordan did in the second 3 peat was rest all doubts, and in the decline of his career, he continued to dominate everyone, he was more dominate that a young Shaq, he had more will to win than anyone else in NBA history, and his leadership skills were so far advance that only Magic Johnson could have had the loyalty Jordan had. Jordan put to rest everythingi in his second comeback. He retires striking out in minor league baseball, his one of the all time greats, but his not the greatest, that's for debate.
Muhammad Ali called himself the greatest. But until he beat George Foreman, and showed his will to win, he wasn't the greatest in peoples minds. His in the conversation with Joe Louis and Rocky Marciano, but his not the greatest. Kobe Bryant right now, is at the down slope of his career. He has 2 or 3 more prime years, and then it's that time were you hold on too long. Jordan originally retired at the age of 35, the time when most are in their twilight, but MJ was arguably still the best in the world, and proved it by winning titles. Kobe, if his to be in the conversation with MJ has to win. And win and win and win and win, and not only win, but beat Lebron James, beat the Celtics with KG and Pierce, beat the Magic with Superman, beat everyone put in his way, because the only way he can even be looked at MJ's level is by stepping up, and showing that will to win. He does not have to be at his physical best, in fact when calling our GOATs, we don't look for that, it seems people look for who can do it for a long period of time and who can do it even when their knees give out, and they should be bed ridden with the flu and when they are against someone younger and more physically dominating than them. I say this, if Kobe wins 3 more titles, and beats LeBron for at least the last one, and retires, we'll look at it as Muhammad beating Foreman, and Kobe goes out the GOAT. If Kobe loses to Lebron, we'll look at it as Magic losing to MJ, and the passing of the torch and Kobe goes with West, Magic, Russell, Wilt, and all the others in that argument over second best.
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.:DaYg0sTyLz:.:
--- Quote from: Don Jacob on June 14, 2009, 10:00:54 PM ---i see where someone could include the intangibles about jordan , he generated billions into the economy, but i think 3 champiionships (7) CAN put him over jordan....let's face it, kobe is just as good as jordan offensively , that has ALWAYS been the case. defensively you can make the argument, both have the same tendancies to suffocate or collapse on the perimeter. but the intangibles and wins...is what will separate them.
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Jordan was definetely a better defender, cant really argue for Kobe on that. And the intangibles are not limited to Jordans effect on the economy lol The respect he had around the league/world. Also the fact that Jordan on the court was nothing less then awe-inspiring. Fans and opponents were in awe of Jordan. Kobe doesnt inspire that same kind of reaction. Kobe losing in the finals twice doesnt help. With Jordan, you always had the feeling he would win...that he wouldnt allow himself to lose (once in his prime). Kobe lost two finals in his prime. A very good Celtics team but Kobe had a very good Laker team that simply got crushed. Allso a Pistons team that was not unstoppable as the Spurs beat the exact same team the following year. I dont think its impossible for a player to ever pass Jordan, but Kobe cant be that guy. It just wont happen. Its going to take someone who isnt fighting for his place in history towards the end of his career. It will have to be someone who looks to be the best ever, halfway through it.
thisoneguy360:
Lol John Barry's an idiot. Not saying I don't think there's some credibility in his statement but this is the same guy that said Kobe was gonna tear apart the Lakers chemistry as soon as things went wrong and doubted that he would contend for another title. Next year if the Lakers don't do well in the regular season he'll probably consider this win a fluke lol.
Antonio:
--- Quote from: M Dogg on June 14, 2009, 10:11:33 PM ---
--- Quote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on June 14, 2009, 09:46:48 PM ---
--- Quote from: el creepo on June 14, 2009, 09:31:51 PM ---^ I disagree in a sense
7 over 6 would do it, in my opinion
but until he even gets 6, he shouldn't be mentioned in front of Jordan
5 still won't be enough, he needs 6 or 7 to even argue about the 2 players
7 is insane though, I think that would say somethin.. ya know?
--- End quote ---
I get what youre saying. I just think there are SO many factors to being an all time great. Kobe will, without a doubt, go down as one of the best all time players. This is the reason I dont see Kobe ever surpassing Jordan. When Jordan was in the league, there were a ton of great players before him. There was Magic, Bird, Russell, Wilt, Kareem, Dr J, etc...etc. BUT, in the midst of his career...there was already no doubt that he was the best ever. You KNEW you were watching the best player ever. There was hardly any debate against it. Kobe, being in the later part of his career, is still trying to prove he is the best Laker ever.
--- End quote ---
what you have is someone who's in position to pass Jordan, and it wasn't until Jordan's comeback that you truly knew he was the greatest. In the first 3 peat, you saw greatness, and people put him up there with the greats, but there was a ton of people that still argued Russell or Magic was the greatest, that Wilt was more dominate or that Larry Bird had that will. What Jordan did in the second 3 peat was rest all doubts, and in the decline of his career, he continued to dominate everyone, he was more dominate that a young Shaq, he had more will to win than anyone else in NBA history, and his leadership skills were so far advance that only Magic Johnson could have had the loyalty Jordan had. Jordan put to rest everythingi in his second comeback. He retires striking out in minor league baseball, his one of the all time greats, but his not the greatest, that's for debate.
Muhammad Ali called himself the greatest. But until he beat George Foreman, and showed his will to win, he wasn't the greatest in peoples minds. His in the conversation with Joe Louis and Rocky Marciano, but his not the greatest. Kobe Bryant right now, is at the down slope of his career. He has 2 or 3 more prime years, and then it's that time were you hold on too long. Jordan originally retired at the age of 35, the time when most are in their twilight, but MJ was arguably still the best in the world, and proved it by winning titles. Kobe, if his to be in the conversation with MJ has to win. And win and win and win and win, and not only win, but beat Lebron James, beat the Celtics with KG and Pierce, beat the Magic with Superman, beat everyone put in his way, because the only way he can even be looked at MJ's level is by stepping up, and showing that will to win. He does not have to be at his physical best, in fact when calling our GOATs, we don't look for that, it seems people look for who can do it for a long period of time and who can do it even when their knees give out, and they should be bed ridden with the flu and when they are against someone younger and more physically dominating than them. I say this, if Kobe wins 3 more titles, and beats LeBron for at least the last one, and retires, we'll look at it as Muhammad beating Foreman, and Kobe goes out the GOAT. If Kobe loses to Lebron, we'll look at it as Magic losing to MJ, and the passing of the torch and Kobe goes with West, Magic, Russell, Wilt, and all the others in that argument over second best.
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