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Anyways, who do I think killed Tupac? Well first off I know for a fucking fact The Las Vegas police didn't give a shit, look at tupac's past songs like Violent and fuck the police in his earlier work already made him strained with the law. Lets also not forget that around the time West Coast Rap had debut and was coming into its own Politicians, Civil Rights leader, anyone not into the scene at the time was against rap. To them tupac was just another rapper a "perpetrator" of violence in their eyes. Look at some of the articles after Tupac's death."Rapper who personified Violence dies at 25" I mean with head lines like that, no wonder no one gave a shit. Anyways Because their was no incentive on the LV police end (no Helicopter, No APB) The killers got off free remember his original shooting, calling that a Robbery, He was IN a STUDIO. ok A studio is the safest fucking place ever..
Now people say Suge Knight Killed him, but Suge Knight had no Incentive. Tupac was promoting the hell outta the label, was providing record sells and was helping Death Row East, and was going to have Death Row Distribute Makaveli Records releases (First album was to be the 7 day Theory, second in contract, and then One Nation which would of been his third obligation).I mean he had no need.People say Tupac was complaining about money, No he wasn't Suge kept his ass happy with cars and such, He never got his TRUE earnings, but honestly I think Tupac wasn't worrying about that as much. Look at all the videos of him in the studios at Death Row. Hes happy, fuck Their is possibly a chance he is grateful for suge knight posting his bail, but again Because we weren't in his head will never know how he truly felt regardless of the count-less documentaries.
Pac didn't do "Fuck the Police". That was N.W.A. In regards to the political situation, by 1996, the heat had pretty much died down on that. C. Delores Tucker had even spoke on Suge's behalf when he was going to court for the Orlando Anderson incident. And Pac was not robbed IN a studio. He was robbed in the bottom floor lobby where more or less anyone could be. Studios are not the safest fucking places ever. That is a ridiculous misconception. If you are doing work for a professional label at their in-house studio then that would more or less be a safe place because they would have hired security to keep the wrong element out but we are not talking about that. There have been countless situations in New York where robberies, beatdowns, etc. have gone down. Jam Master Jay was murdered inside a studio. 50 Cent had the incident with Black Child and them at the Hit Factory studio. In the case of Quad Studios, it was pretty clear that Pac was going down there as a favor for an artist with a limited bdget so it wasn't like he was walking into some "safe haven".
I have my doubts about the Suge scenerio myself but your info sounds like it was pulled directly from a Suge interview. How do you know Pac wasn't complaining about money? You saw a video or an interview? I've got news for you. A lot went down in those last couple days. I'm not implying that Suge was behind it because it seems a bit wild that anyone would sit in the driver's seat while bullets were being fired at the guy in the passenger's seat. However, I have seen enough interviews from sources not connected to Death Row to suggest that Pac might not have been too happy with his situation in those days. We have never heard Pac do a negative interview or song on Snoop but we know when the radio shit happened in NYC, Pac was fucking pissed. Snoop has confirmed this. Suge downplayed it when Snoop was still signed to the label but once he left, it became "Pac hated Snoop and I was riding with Pac".
Michael Moore, one of Pac's bodyguards that weekend, said he had to physically remove Pac from Suge's room during a very heated argument when the two met up after Pac heard the Snoop interview and quoted Pac as saying, "I'm leaving Death Row." We also know that Pac fired David Kenner, the attorney for Death Row, a few weeks prior. There's record of it.
Never trust Michael Moore. Look at his retarded ass movies.
Quote from: West Coast Veteran on June 20, 2009, 10:35:55 AMDr. Dre is to Death Row what Eazy E is to Ruthless. The epicenter of the label's talent.Suge Knight is Jerry Heller... just some fat guys who got luckynah man those labels are 2 different situationsDre left and DEath Row still had 2pac and Snoop to hold them afloat....if 2pac never died in 96 or after that, i bet you death row would've carried on thru the 2000's and Snoop would'nt have left unless he started beef with 2pac...which the 2 were not getting necessarily along at the end as it's been known...Snoop had that radio interview saying he'd work with Biggieeither way Suge did alot more for the business of deathrow than heller did for nwa
Dr. Dre is to Death Row what Eazy E is to Ruthless. The epicenter of the label's talent.Suge Knight is Jerry Heller... just some fat guys who got lucky
Quote from: Niles Standish on June 20, 2009, 11:14:14 AMQuote from: West Coast Veteran on June 20, 2009, 10:35:55 AMDr. Dre is to Death Row what Eazy E is to Ruthless. The epicenter of the label's talent.Suge Knight is Jerry Heller... just some fat guys who got luckynah man those labels are 2 different situationsDre left and DEath Row still had 2pac and Snoop to hold them afloat....if 2pac never died in 96 or after that, i bet you death row would've carried on thru the 2000's and Snoop would'nt have left unless he started beef with 2pac...which the 2 were not getting necessarily along at the end as it's been known...Snoop had that radio interview saying he'd work with Biggieeither way Suge did alot more for the business of deathrow than heller did for nwalol!if it weren't for Jerry Heller, NWA would have never gotten a distribution deal for example
Quote from: From Dre-Day to Helter Skelter on June 23, 2009, 11:42:29 PMQuote from: Niles Standish on June 20, 2009, 11:14:14 AMQuote from: West Coast Veteran on June 20, 2009, 10:35:55 AMDr. Dre is to Death Row what Eazy E is to Ruthless. The epicenter of the label's talent.Suge Knight is Jerry Heller... just some fat guys who got luckynah man those labels are 2 different situationsDre left and DEath Row still had 2pac and Snoop to hold them afloat....if 2pac never died in 96 or after that, i bet you death row would've carried on thru the 2000's and Snoop would'nt have left unless he started beef with 2pac...which the 2 were not getting necessarily along at the end as it's been known...Snoop had that radio interview saying he'd work with Biggieeither way Suge did alot more for the business of deathrow than heller did for nwalol!if it weren't for Jerry Heller, NWA would have never gotten a distribution deal for example Even though I'm not a fan of either, I'm not a hater. Jerry and suge were 1 in the same basically. Dr. Dre traded one stealer for another when he left. Both Jerry and Suge Got them Distribution deals (Ruth, Priority via Jerry, and Death Row, Inters cope via Suge Knight).In the end Jerry original took the money from the group along with Eazy at the time and at the end was found to have taken money from eazy. In the end it was found Suge Knight had shafted multiple artist, producers, etc. On proper royalties. Sorta fucked how each 1 pretty much the same and really they both had their own way to get things done.Jerry The Jewish Defense League for bodyguards, and protection Suge Knight, Hired street gangsters and L.A. off-Duty cops which became apart of Rampart Jerry Used Contracts and Shiftiness to attain his money & deals which were Iron CladSuge Knight used more Strong Armed Tactics to attain his money and deals, and eventually figured out Time-Based Iron Clad Contracts.In the end, these two did a lot to both help and hurt rap. If it wasn't for Jerry's stealing we wouldn't get Ice Cubes earlier Effects like "Amerkkka's Most Wanted","Kill At Will", "Death Certificate","The Predator", and Lethal Injection may not come to ingratiation. Considering if Jerry didn't steal we wouldn't of had The Chronic being made for Death Row.If it wasn't for Suge Knight, we wouldn't have the Death Row releases we have today (DoggyStyle was nearly canceled) We wouldn't have The Chronic, DoggyStyle, Dogg Chit, All Eyez, Makaveli, etc. Because what these people did they both helped rap and hurt it in a lot of ways. Its almost like Paradox on the effects of what West Coast could of been, was, and is. In the end I have respect for both of them, but because of how they "hurt" rap a lot of albums may of never gotten made but so many possibles could of happened. . In the end its a bastard to be on either side of the fence. So I have respect, but when it comes to certain exploits. I don't got now love.
^^^for real...I'm speechless.Cube and Dre really got heads beliving all that Jew bashing.
Quote from: Chad Vader on June 24, 2009, 01:49:15 PM^^^for real...I'm speechless.Cube and Dre really got heads beliving all that Jew bashing.
Quote from: Blasphemy on June 21, 2009, 08:56:00 AMAnyways, who do I think killed Tupac? Well first off I know for a fucking fact The Las Vegas police didn't give a shit, look at tupac's past songs like Violent and fuck the police in his earlier work already made him strained with the law. Lets also not forget that around the time West Coast Rap had debut and was coming into its own Politicians, Civil Rights leader, anyone not into the scene at the time was against rap. To them tupac was just another rapper a "perpetrator" of violence in their eyes. Look at some of the articles after Tupac's death."Rapper who personified Violence dies at 25" I mean with head lines like that, no wonder no one gave a shit. Anyways Because their was no incentive on the LV police end (no Helicopter, No APB) The killers got off free remember his original shooting, calling that a Robbery, He was IN a STUDIO. ok A studio is the safest fucking place ever.. Pac didn't do "Fuck the Police". That was N.W.A. In regards to the political situation, by 1996, the heat had pretty much died down on that. C. Delores Tucker had even spoke on Suge's behalf when he was going to court for the Orlando Anderson incident. And Pac was not robbed IN a studio. He was robbed in the bottom floor lobby where more or less anyone could be. Studios are not the safest fucking places ever. That is a ridiculous misconception. If you are doing work for a professional label at their in-house studio then that would more or less be a safe place because they would have hired security to keep the wrong element out but we are not talking about that. There have been countless situations in New York where robberies, beatdowns, etc. have gone down. Jam Master Jay was murdered inside a studio. 50 Cent had the incident with Black Child and them at the Hit Factory studio. In the case of Quad Studios, it was pretty clear that Pac was going down there as a favor for an artist with a limited bdget so it wasn't like he was walking into some "safe haven". Quote from: Blasphemy on June 21, 2009, 08:56:00 AMNow people say Suge Knight Killed him, but Suge Knight had no Incentive. Tupac was promoting the hell outta the label, was providing record sells and was helping Death Row East, and was going to have Death Row Distribute Makaveli Records releases (First album was to be the 7 day Theory, second in contract, and then One Nation which would of been his third obligation).I mean he had no need.People say Tupac was complaining about money, No he wasn't Suge kept his ass happy with cars and such, He never got his TRUE earnings, but honestly I think Tupac wasn't worrying about that as much. Look at all the videos of him in the studios at Death Row. Hes happy, fuck Their is possibly a chance he is grateful for suge knight posting his bail, but again Because we weren't in his head will never know how he truly felt regardless of the count-less documentaries. I have my doubts about the Suge scenerio myself but your info sounds like it was pulled directly from a Suge interview. How do you know Pac wasn't complaining about money? You saw a video or an interview? I've got news for you. A lot went down in those last couple days. I'm not implying that Suge was behind it because it seems a bit wild that anyone would sit in the driver's seat while bullets were being fired at the guy in the passenger's seat. However, I have seen enough interviews from sources not connected to Death Row to suggest that Pac might not have been too happy with his situation in those days. We have never heard Pac do a negative interview or song on Snoop but we know when the radio shit happened in NYC, Pac was fucking pissed. Snoop has confirmed this. Suge downplayed it when Snoop was still signed to the label but once he left, it became "Pac hated Snoop and I was riding with Pac". Michael Moore, one of Pac's bodyguards that weekend, said he had to physically remove Pac from Suge's room during a very heated argument when the two met up after Pac heard the Snoop interview and quoted Pac as saying, "I'm leaving Death Row." We also know that Pac fired David Kenner, the attorney for Death Row, a few weeks prior. There's record of it. Again, I'm not claiming to have all the facts but there is quite a bit of information to suggest that there is more to the story than everyone is seeing.
Quote from: From Dre-Day to Helter Skelter on June 24, 2009, 02:43:50 PMQuote from: Chad Vader on June 24, 2009, 01:49:15 PM^^^for real...I'm speechless.Cube and Dre really got heads beliving all that Jew bashing. A must read, Jerry was hella loyal to Eazy...Still trips me that he thinks he coulda made Bone go 10x Plat, and I actually agree he prolly could of, Heller was a genius
Without Dr. Dre there is no Death Row Records.
Quote from: Chad Vader on June 20, 2009, 11:23:07 AMQuote from: Mike Toreno on June 20, 2009, 11:12:54 AMQuote from: Chad Vader on June 20, 2009, 11:03:12 AMQuote from: Mike Toreno on June 20, 2009, 10:52:59 AMQuote from: Chad Vader on June 19, 2009, 06:25:23 PMunreleased RBX album on Death Row? Kilo,that's bullshit right?Not B/S. Lol. RBX, despite how much he would have not like to have made the decision to join Death Row, still has quite a bit of material considering he didn't get to leave till 1994 or 1995. +1 OK,thanks for the info. What about Warren G,K-Solo and Rage (is it tracks from eargasm?)?Any info on who did the beats for RBX´s Death Row project? Greg Royal (produced RBX-files) worked on The Chronic,so maybe he was set to work with RBX?Not sure, but I know Gregski/Greg Royal did immense work on it since he also did his retail album. Too bad RBX hasn't worked with him in years. Warren G doesn't have an album over there I believe due to him landing the Def Jam deal, but he might have material. K-Solo has an incomplete album over there, and Rage has an incomplete album over there too.Greg Royal is a mystery to me,he worked on The Chronic. Then did RBX´s album,after that he only did random work here and there.Who brought him aboard? Dre? Chris Taylor? Colin Wolfe? who?Not sure, I would have thought Dre did since he was the one who brought along Colin and Chris.I will ask Colin next time I speak with him.
Quote from: Mike Toreno on June 20, 2009, 11:12:54 AMQuote from: Chad Vader on June 20, 2009, 11:03:12 AMQuote from: Mike Toreno on June 20, 2009, 10:52:59 AMQuote from: Chad Vader on June 19, 2009, 06:25:23 PMunreleased RBX album on Death Row? Kilo,that's bullshit right?Not B/S. Lol. RBX, despite how much he would have not like to have made the decision to join Death Row, still has quite a bit of material considering he didn't get to leave till 1994 or 1995. +1 OK,thanks for the info. What about Warren G,K-Solo and Rage (is it tracks from eargasm?)?Any info on who did the beats for RBX´s Death Row project? Greg Royal (produced RBX-files) worked on The Chronic,so maybe he was set to work with RBX?Not sure, but I know Gregski/Greg Royal did immense work on it since he also did his retail album. Too bad RBX hasn't worked with him in years. Warren G doesn't have an album over there I believe due to him landing the Def Jam deal, but he might have material. K-Solo has an incomplete album over there, and Rage has an incomplete album over there too.Greg Royal is a mystery to me,he worked on The Chronic. Then did RBX´s album,after that he only did random work here and there.Who brought him aboard? Dre? Chris Taylor? Colin Wolfe? who?
Quote from: Chad Vader on June 20, 2009, 11:03:12 AMQuote from: Mike Toreno on June 20, 2009, 10:52:59 AMQuote from: Chad Vader on June 19, 2009, 06:25:23 PMunreleased RBX album on Death Row? Kilo,that's bullshit right?Not B/S. Lol. RBX, despite how much he would have not like to have made the decision to join Death Row, still has quite a bit of material considering he didn't get to leave till 1994 or 1995. +1 OK,thanks for the info. What about Warren G,K-Solo and Rage (is it tracks from eargasm?)?Any info on who did the beats for RBX´s Death Row project? Greg Royal (produced RBX-files) worked on The Chronic,so maybe he was set to work with RBX?Not sure, but I know Gregski/Greg Royal did immense work on it since he also did his retail album. Too bad RBX hasn't worked with him in years. Warren G doesn't have an album over there I believe due to him landing the Def Jam deal, but he might have material. K-Solo has an incomplete album over there, and Rage has an incomplete album over there too.
Quote from: Mike Toreno on June 20, 2009, 10:52:59 AMQuote from: Chad Vader on June 19, 2009, 06:25:23 PMunreleased RBX album on Death Row? Kilo,that's bullshit right?Not B/S. Lol. RBX, despite how much he would have not like to have made the decision to join Death Row, still has quite a bit of material considering he didn't get to leave till 1994 or 1995. +1 OK,thanks for the info. What about Warren G,K-Solo and Rage (is it tracks from eargasm?)?Any info on who did the beats for RBX´s Death Row project? Greg Royal (produced RBX-files) worked on The Chronic,so maybe he was set to work with RBX?
Quote from: Chad Vader on June 19, 2009, 06:25:23 PMunreleased RBX album on Death Row? Kilo,that's bullshit right?Not B/S. Lol. RBX, despite how much he would have not like to have made the decision to join Death Row, still has quite a bit of material considering he didn't get to leave till 1994 or 1995.
unreleased RBX album on Death Row? Kilo,that's bullshit right?
Mixmaster Gee And The Turntable Orchestrahttp://www.discogs.com/artist/Mixmaster+Gee+And+The+Turntable+Orchestrahttp://www.youtube.com/v/9QJQHn8Tx6A&hl=en_US&fs=1Releases: Like This (12") MCA Records 1985 The Manipulator ◄ (4 versions) MCA Records 1986 Conflicts Of Interest (Vinyl, EP) Greg Ski Cuts 1987Tracks Appear On: Street Sounds Hip Hop Electro 14 (Comp) ◄ (2 versions) The Manipulator (Exten... Street Sounds 1986 Street Sounds Crucial Electro 3 (Comp) ◄ (2 versions) The Manipulator Street Sounds 1987 Scratchology (2xLP) Like This (Full & Fresh) Sequence Records 2003 Scratchology ◄ (2 versions) Like This (Full & Fresh) Sequence Records 2003
Mixmaster Gee And The Turntable Orchestra - Conflicts Of Interesthttp://www.discogs.com/Mixmaster-Gee-The-Turntable-Orchestra-Conflicts-Of-Interest/release/1925459Label:Greg Ski CutsCatalog#:GSC - 5008Format:Vinyl, EPCountry:USReleased:1987Genre:Electronic, Hip Hop Style:Electro TracklistA1 Mixmaster Gee And The Turntable Orchestra - Rip It Off 5:20A2 Mixmaster Gee And The Turntable Orchestra - Loud & Clear 5:36A3 Ramon Ski - Stupid Def 5:48B1 Ricky Byars - It's All For You 5:34B2 Glenda Marie - Just A Little Bit Of Love 4:18B3 Cherry Soda - Bombs Come Down 5:55CreditsProducer - Greg Royal , Ricardo Moore , Ricky Byars NotesPrivate Pressing By Greg "Ski" Royal Aka Mixmaster Gee & The Turntable Orchestra On His Own Label. 300 Copies Pressed
A1 The Manipulator (Extended Version) A2 The Manipulator (Radio Edit) B1 The Manipulator (Dub Version) B2 The Manipulator (Instrumental)
Quote from: West Coast Veteran on June 20, 2009, 04:10:56 AMWithout Dr. Dre there is no Death Row Records. are you serious?fuck dre and his gay ass fake-pimp friends like snoopy bitch.