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Top 50 MLB players according to HACK WILSON magazine
OG Hack Wilson:
--- Quote from: S P I C E on June 28, 2009, 07:04:06 PM ---Well Hack there is no denying you bring up good points but here is my argument for making Mays 1 or 2. Maybe Willie Mays wasn't the absolute best in any category but he was one of the best in every single aspect of the game. I mean lets first look at hitting. The guy was one of the best Home Run hitters of all time while still being a lifetime .300 hitter and compiling over 3,000 hits in his career, that shows that when it comes to hitting for power and average he could combine the two as well as any player who ever played the game. It is then obvious that when it came to speed, defense and a throwing arm he was as great in those tools as anyone else. Mays was the type of player that could do anything he wanted to while he played. He rarely focused on doing nothing but hitting home runs but when he did he set a record at the time in hitting 36 Homers before the all star break before his manager told him to do otherwise. Also when Mays began his career and focused on stealing bases he lead the majors in steals for 4 straight seasons.
I just feel like when it comes to all around talent and mastering the 5 tools, Mays is the best all around player to ever play the game.
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Ty Cobb is a better 5 tool player....the best hitter and slugger of his era, best base-stealer ever and a solid defensive centerfielder (although Tris Speaker is the best defensive CFer ever)
as far as Ruth over Mays...Mays edges him on defense but Ruth was no slouch in the field. Before he got fat in his older age he was an above average defender who always had a rifle of an arm (obviously fro mbeing a pitcher). and as for hitting Ruth dwarfs anybody.
Ruth accomplsihed everything in his career and won 7 rings...and had 90 wins as a pitcher by the way ;)
and Mays was not as good a hitter as Mantle OR Aaron....but much better on defense and base stealing. I'll still take Mantle over Mays because he accomplished just as much and had more great playoff preformances and rings. Mays lasted longer but Mantle's "peak" years as a hitter were much better.
and Shallow....great point on the fact the Mays never pitched a shut out in the world series. Ruth did. Ruth's postseason pitching stats are some of the b est ever...as are his hitting
OG Hack Wilson:
playoff stats:
Babe Ruth .326 batting average, .467 on-base percentage, .744 slugging %, 15 HR, 33 RBI in 41 games (167 at-bats) - 7 rings
Willie Mays .247 batting average, .323 on-base percentage, .337 slugging %, 1 home run, 10 RBI in 25 games (99 at-bats) 1 ring
Lou Gehrig .361 batting average, .471 on-base percentage, .731 slugging %, 10 HR, 35 RBI in 34 games (150 at-bats) - 6 rings
Hank Aaron .362 batting average, .405 on-base percentage, .705 slugging %, 6 HR, 16 RBI in 17 games (69 at-bats) - 1 ring
Mickey Mantle .257 batting average, .374 on-base percentage, .535 slugging %, 18 HR, 40 RBI in 65 games (273-at bats) - 7 rings
3 contemporaries and 2 other "elites" from my list.
S P I C E:
We will always disagree on this Hack ;D
I think Ruth is the only player that can be mentioned above Mays but it's all opinions.
OG Hack Wilson:
--- Quote from: S P I C E on June 28, 2009, 08:09:10 PM ---We will always disagree on this Hack ;D
I think Ruth is the only player that can be mentioned above Mays but it's all opinions.
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just do me a favor and do some reading up on Ty Cobb
he was an asshole of a person....but sometimes I think of him as better than Ruth because Cobb was THE complete player of all time............just sucks he played in the dead ball era from 1906-1919 and was aging in the live ball era
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/cobbty01.shtml
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