Jay-Z & The Game been subliminally going at each other for years

[eNgIeS]

I know someone brought up the intro on Thy Kingdom Come as a possible Game diss by Jay-Z. I just saw this article that points out both parties been dissing each other for a while.

IMO IF Game was dissin Jay-Z in Westside Story then Jay-Z had every right to respond. But if its the other way around I'm with Game (I'm a bigger fan of Game anyway but Jigga is still a good mc)
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The Audio History Of The Game Vs. Jay-Z
Posted by TSSCrew @ 7:45 pm
FILED UNDER: AUDIO, GENERAL, LOOSIES, MUSIC.

Words By J. Tinsley

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One of the most beautiful innovations about the new age of music and the internet is the ability to flashback at the mere click of a button. With the situation between The Game and Jay-Z seemingly growing more and more intense by the day (at least on Game’s part), it is sometimes easy to forget the two have been been in each other’s rhymes for nearly a half a decade. After the jump, a crash course of subliminal and obvious disses are dissected in one of Hip-Hop’s most known-unknown “beefs”.

Hit the break.

2004

The Game -”200 Bars N’ Runnin’” (Joe Budden & Memphis Bleek Diss)

Quotables: “Like AZ from Harlem, Dre gon’ pay me regardless cause he know Jay-Z departed…” “…It was all a dream like I seen Memph Bleek in Marcy/ I ain’t say you won’t see Bleek in Marcy/ I said my man told me he don’t see Bleek in Marcy…”

Notes: Nine minutes of Jayceon waxing poetics over the “Deep Cover” instrumental with clear cut shots at Joe Budden (that beef has been well documented). However, similar to the beef with Nas, The Game’s initial problems were with Memphis Bleek.

2005

The Game - “Westside Story” (off the debut album The Documentary)

Quotables: “Payback, homie I’m bringin’ CA back/ And I don’t do button up shirts or drive Maybachs..”

Notes: Before Rick Ross made the Maybach his personal staple, it was no secret who made the vehicle a known commodity in the realm of Hip-Hop. And the world knows who started the button-up craze.

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The Game - “The Documentary” (off The Documentary)

Quotables: “If I die my n*ggas, f*ck it, I did a song with Mary Blige my n*ggas/ Got a hook from Faith, no verse from Jay/ I guess on ‘Westside Story’ he thought I spit in his face/ Told Ed Lover and Monie Luv I was talkin’ to Ja with that Maybach line/ It was payback time…”

Notes: As big of a fan as I am of Game, I’m still confused at how that bar was meant for Jeffery and not Shawn.

Jay-Z - “Hot 97 Freestyle” (Game & Cassidy Diss)

Quotables: “You plan to bang, I plan to bang too/ You playin’ the games, I’m seeing the thing through/ You sayin’ my name to entertain ya’ crew/ I ain’t playin’ no games, the shots exchange are through/ Fresh off probabtion, I got a charge to throw away/ My lawyer say for 80 large it’ll go away/ And that ain’t no money to Jay/ So you can get broad day on Broadway while TRL tape…”

Notes: While it was never confirmed the lines above were about The Game, looking at Jay’s history (of subliminals) would tell you he was.

The Game - “300 Bars N’ Runnin’” (G-Unit, Memphis Bleek & Young Gunz Diss)

Quotables: “That boy colder than Hova unless he sober/ Like I’m the President but this ain’t the Takeover/ Now, there’s the speaker, bring your ears a lil’ closer/ Before you call this a diss and you make Hova pissed/ Why would I wanna do that? When I’m just a new cat/ That was taught if a n*gga take shots then shoot back/ Defendin’ his yard, yeah standin’ his ground/ I’m sayin’ if you gon’ retire then hand me the crown/ Nahh let Bleek do it then throw him a concert in Madison Square/ Watch everybody sleep through it…”

Notes: Obviously having heard the freestyle from a month before, Game drops his now infamous 15 minute barrage mainly aimed at G-Unit. The lines above are aimed directly at Jay. While not disrespectful at this point, he does leave the opportunity open for a lyrical tussle between the two.

2006

The Game - “120 Bars N’ Runnin’” (G-Unit Diss)

Quotable: “Ain’t got sh*t against Hov, I like the n*gga style…”

Notes: At this point, whatever friction between the two that was thought to have been there appeared to be over.

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Jay-Z - “The Prelude” (off Kingdom Come)

Quotables: “The game’s f*cked up/ N*gga, ya beats is banging, ya hooks did it/ Ya lyrics didn’t, ya gangsta look did it…”

Notes: To Hov’s credit, this line was probably intended for a wide selection of rappers, but one of the main gripes by Game’s critics is his hooks, beat and image were the reason he found success. Maybe Jay felt the same.

2007

The Game - “My Bitch” (50 Cent, Jay-Z and Suge Knight Diss)

Quotables: “I was first introduced to her in ‘96/ She had a wavy haircut and some big ass lips/ At first she was hard to hit/ Come to find out the last 10 years she was suckin’ B.I.G.’s d*ck…”

Notes: Dubbed as an unreleased track which was mysteriously leaked, it was clear that Game’s feelings towards Jay-Z were past a friendly level of competition and elevated towards disrespectful status.

T.I. Feat. Jay-Z - “Watch What You Say To Me” (off T.I.’s T.I. vs. T.I.P.)

Quotables: “N*ggas get to running before you finish your sentence/ And then they back to riffin’ when they off in a safe distance/ You like, ‘you was just here, you disappear like magicians’/ In thin air, I’m like damn n*gga, at least keep it consistent/ I hear you baiting me lately, I been doing my best just to stay hater free/ Still, watch what you say to me…”

Notes: While this was thought to have been a verse aimed at both Lil Wayne and The Game when it first surfaced, all the hints point towards Game, especially the ‘baiting’ reference.

2009

Jay-Z - “Blueprint 3″ Intro Freestyle

Quotables: “I ain’t talkin’ bout gossip/ I ain’t talkin’ bout Game/ I ain’t talkin’ bout Jimmy/ I ain’t talkin’ bout Dame…”

Notes: Five years after ‘200 Bars’, Jay finally mentioned The Game by name on a record. What his next is (if he even plans on going that route), remains to be seen, but it did prompt this.

The Game - “I’m Wavy” (Jay-Z Diss)

Quotables: “No one on the corner gotta swagger like you/ Cause no one on the F*CKIN’ corner is 42…”

Notes: Nevermind the lingo from Max B, Jayceon took the swipe from Hov as a call from all out war. While the verses weren’t anything to get excited about, the disrespect factor in the song is on code red with swipes at Amber Rose’s infidelity, Beyonce and Jay’s alleged inability to procreate and Jay’s barring of Chris Brown from the B.E.T. Awards.

So what’s next? “Takeover 2″? “400 Bars”? Who knows, I’m just glad we’ve got something else to talk about other than Michael Jackson (no disrespect, but we’ve got to let the man rest in peace).

[Moe]

welcome to last week

[eNgIeS]

welcome to last week

all i was doing was posting a link to an article i thought was interesting. no need to be combative geez some people way to angry on this forum

[Trojan God]

That actually brought me up to speed.. Usually when Game disses i figure its over after he releases a track but it makes sense for the timeline.. props

[blunts40sbitches]

theres also another subliminal you missed, on Big Dreams, Game says,

"I got my 40, 40,
theyre my two Jiggas,
I make em Holla Holla,
I Ja Rule niggas"

now, of course, the 40 40 can be referring to Jay's 4040 club, but if you think more deeply about it, it could also be referring to Jay's age......

we all know that one of Game's biggest reasons for his disapproval of Jay is his old age.....remember on One Blood, he says, "you 38, and still rappin? Ugh!"

Now, mind you, that was about two years before Big Dreams was made, concluding to the fact that Jay would be 40 years old by then (according to Game)......

so really, that was something I picked up on, I'm not too sure about it cuz to be honest, I'm not sure if Game is actually smart enough to pull off a clever line like that....but then again, it does sound logical, so you never know....

[OG Hack Wilson]

welcome to last week

you fail

[Trojan God]

theres also another subliminal you missed, on Big Dreams, Game says,

"I got my 40, 40,
theyre my two Jiggas,
I make em Holla Holla,
I Ja Rule niggas"

now, of course, the 40 40 can be referring to Jay's 4040 club, but if you think more deeply about it, it could also be referring to Jay's age......

we all know that one of Game's biggest reasons for his disapproval of Jay is his old age.....remember on One Blood, he says, "you 38, and still rappin? Ugh!"

Now, mind you, that was about two years before Big Dreams was made, concluding to the fact that Jay would be 40 years old by then (according to Game)......

so really, that was something I picked up on, I'm not too sure about it cuz to be honest, I'm not sure if Game is actually smart enough to pull off a clever line like that....but then again, it does sound logical, so you never know....

The one blood line could be towards yayo tho..

he said sumthin along those lines in 240 bars and then followed with " i aint sayin that you dope nigga/but u better than spider loc nigga"

[GangstaBoogy]

Game been killin him for a minute. Problem is for every jab he takes at him he also makes a "the next Hova from the home of the best dojah" or "I ain't got beef with 50, no beef with Jay" comment. He should've stuck to his guns.

I think this shit is finally gonna pop off this time.

[J$crILLa]

yeah they been talkin some shit for a long time.

[Moe]

welcome to last week

all i was doing was posting a link to an article i thought was interesting. no need to be combative geez some people way to angry on this forum

no really, it was posted last week.

[DEL AMO]

1. "No beef with Jay" "one blood"

2. "Got a hook from Faith, no verse from Jay
I guess on Westside Story he thought I spit in his face" "Westside Story"

3. "Dre told me he ain't doin "Detox," this his only run
Ma$e comin back, and Hovi done" "No more fun and games"

4 "It's "Me & My Girlfriend" like 2Pac and them
Jay-Z and Beyonce, or Bobby and Whitney "Special"

5. "Rap critics politickin, wanna know the outcome
"Ready to Die" "Reasonable Doubt" and "Doggystyle" in one "Dreams"

6. "Make the club R.O.C. without Timberland boots "Higher"

7."I was gassed up, Murder Inc., Roc-A-Fella passed up"

8. "It took me a little while but I am now understandin
Jay ****ed up in the first round when he picked olowankandi" "Memp Bleek Iz"

9. "Oh, that boy colder than Hova unless he sober" "300 Bars"


10. "And ain't nobody tryin to take Beyonce from Jay
But I know a ***** named Superhead he ****ed back in the day" Wouldnt Get Far"

11."Took you to award shows, there go Jay right there"
"One Night"

12."Bangin "The Black Album," track #1
she like that Jay ****, that's her favorite'' "Around The World"

13. "Behind the back to Nas he alley oop to Jigga" "Why U hate The Game"


14. "Niqqas show me love in the hood like i was HOV down Flushing" "State Yo Name"

15. "The day Jay retire I'ma park next to the throne, in a Maybach on gold wires, yeah "Hands On The Pump"

16. "Cuz he know Jay-Z departed
And these other rap labels know don't feed they artists
Talkin blueprint **** you got three garages
Gettin money off Roc like little E and carter"

17. "And 2Pac was in jail the day you called to hit him up
I wouldn't be outside 40/40 bumpin 'Jigga What'"

18."I'm the king, and you better respect it
All I need is Beyonce, and a Roc-a-fella necklace"

19. "I'm the golden boy, and I'm making Hova noise
Got the whole world clapping, just like the Nolia Boys"

20. "I told 'em bomp, slow down baby
Got to get this **** firm like Foxy, NaS and AZ
She said '**** you,pay me
So I left her in AZ
That's what I get for letting her listen to my Jay-Z"

21. "*****, I'm number one, motherfukka bar none
Who else kick knowlegde outside of Hova and the God Son"

22. "U gon make me/ make Jay lose his cool" "Feel It In The Air"

23. "Too much West coast dikc lickn, remember Jay-Z? "1-800-Homicide"

24. "No Em, no Dre, I'm the hottest since Jay" "Get Up"

25. "Cause I'm the man behind the Roc like Kanye West"

26."A pimp like 50, the niqqa to leave you broke ma
6 in the mornin, you stretchin on the sofa
singin ain't no niqqa like Foxy Brown and Hova" "Compton to Fillmoe"

27. "I'm runnin the ROC, not Jay, Dame Dash of Hoffa" "Jackin 4 Beats"

28. "Who the **** holdin me? i was just waitin 'til HOVA leave
wit my eyes on the thrown that belong to me" "Round Here Freestyle"

29. "yeah its me and young cass til hov come back" "Aim Ya Gunz"

30. "Throw Jay-z in the pot, mix em with ren
or O.J on the rocks, mix em with gin
whatchu got? the westcoast riding again" "82 Days"

31. "i found out it was a hard knock life without asking Jay" "Duck Down"

32. "Fake king of new york, U aint Jay z" "soundscan"

33. "Me, Em and 50 racin' this rap siht is basic I followed that Jay siht" "We Aint"

34. "The kings comin', no I'm not Jay-Z" "One Blood Remix"

35. "Not the rap martyr, or the second rap Carter" "for My gangstaz"

36. "niqqa I'm about a dollar, what the **** is 50 Cent?
When Jay said it, I didn't know what it meant" "100 Bars"

37. "used to push that rock like Jay Hov" "Red Bandana"

38. "then this marcy-project niqqa came and stole the crown" "Im a soldier"

39. "But Kanye and Hova killed it without a doubt" "Just a lil Bit freestyle"

40. "Who had the hottest chick in the game, wearin they chain
Mr. H to the Izzo, Nas and Hurricane" "too Much"

41. " cuz ain't nobody movin units but Jay, pimp Juice and Us" - Down 4 my *****s freestyle

43. "I used to have visions of retiring like Jigga" "Du Rags

44. "He in a vest with a hoodrat from Marcy with a tattoo of Jay-Z name on her chest" "Its So Hard"

45. "Im classic like Detox & Blueprint 2" "Get Yo Money"

46."Yall thought it was over when Hova retired" "Get Yo Money"

47. "Make the world feel like the niqqas before 2pac Shakur Christopher Wallace & Shawn Corey" "Dont Push Me..."

48. "... He aint teach Jigga how to rhyme" "Juice freestyle"

49. "Im going to same place Jay-z went Fredrico & Pico" "100 Bars"

50. "Hov retired but Compton still pushin Roc" "On & On"

51. "I came to see chicks shake they ass like Beyonce so let me be Hov 4 a min."

52. "All I gotta do is hit her wit a Jay-Z line like u deserve to be my sunshine"

53. "Biggie Smalls is the illest so is pac Jay retired i wonder if nas gon drop" "Unbeliveable freestyle"

54. "i kno they sayin y u gotta mention Jay" "State Yo Name"

55. "First Jay & Beyonce then Nas & Kelis" "A Week Ago Part 2"

56."u 36 And U Still Rappin Uhh, Im 26 And Homie So Iz Da Dubz" "one Blood"

57."So I reconciled my differences like he did with Jigga" Game on 'Hustlers'

58. "Im ready to die Without a reasonable doubt" "The Documentary"

59. "In '99 i studied +The Chronic+ inside out,
a Doggystyle for breakfast, lunch was Reasonable Doubt " "im A Soldier freestyle"

60. "Shouldnt been influenced by Calvin Broadus, Nasir Jones & Shawn Corey" "Pain In My Life Remix"

61. Yo Jay what it do niqqa, i done rocked enough fellas,to be u niqqa,i got the 40/40,they my 2 jigga's"

62. The word n!gger, is nothing like *****
Don't sound **** alike, like Game like Jigga

63."I was more hood then suge, had more rocs then Jay
more scars on my face then the original scarface, or the homeboy scarface."

64. "i need more than 60 seconds i aint Hov"
- Hot 2Nite (Remix)

65."Moved out the hood, changed her name to Jay"

66. "He ain't Nas, ain't B.I.G., ain't Jigga" 300 bars

67. ""Pushing the rock, nah this ain't no subliminal Jay
The summer too hot, and I want the winter to stay" Dear Summer

68.""I'm fly like a Hummingbird on a tree top
The new Hov, the new B.I.G., the new 'Pac, I need three spots"

69. ""Ask a Jay-Z fan about Big Daddy Kane, don't know em, Game gon show em" - Games Pain

70. ""She call me Jay I call her B we getting married to the streets" - Camera Phone

71. ""The kings coming, no i'm not Jay-z/ too many niggas hate me, but they scared to face me" 1 blood remix

72. "So I reconciled my differences like he did with Jigga" Make The World Go Round

73. ""I hear the crowd callin my name Game, Game
but i'm not one so don't try to play me
and this goes from Gucci Mane to Jay-Z" - Laugh

74."hip hop is soft since the Roc-A-Fella break up/and i don't do subliminals I just pick Jay up" - Walk in the streets

75."I'm that six figga nigga/who got the word from KRS-One and stole the Blueprint from Jigga" - Feels Good

76."They say at Summer Jam i turned it out/but Kanye and Hova killed it without a doubt" - Just a lil bit (G-Unit Diss)

77.""We on that same elevator goin down, Dodger fitted got that Hova lean so they don't notice me" - Down & Out (mixtape version)"
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[eNgIeS]

Ok we get ur point. Why post the 77 name drops we all know (yes even game fans) that Game has both praised and dissed Jay-Z, we've also seen this post a million times here. why does it need to be posted in every game-jay-z topic???

[F-cisco]

I'm waiting for Jay to diss Game over Mariah Carrey's "Obessed".

[The_Offence]

Ok we get ur point. Why post the 77 name drops we all know (yes even game fans) that Game has both praised and dissed Jay-Z, we've also seen this post a million times here. why does it need to be posted in every game-jay-z topic???

it shows you game groupies that game has been a jay z groupie since his career started he's a obsession with jay z just like he's obsessed with dr dre and eazy e game wants to be a icon so bad that he'll sell his soul

TELL GROUPIE TO GET OVER IT 

[eNgIeS]

Ok we get ur point. Why post the 77 name drops we all know (yes even game fans) that Game has both praised and dissed Jay-Z, we've also seen this post a million times here. why does it need to be posted in every game-jay-z topic???

it shows you game groupies that game has been a jay z groupie since his career started he's a obsession with jay z just like he's obsessed with dr dre and eazy e game wants to be a icon so bad that he'll sell his soul

TELL GROUPIE TO GET OVER IT 

Geesuz so i'm a game fan that makes me a groupie??? did you not read my posts. I'm a fan of Game's, but i admit his name dropping of Jay & some of his antics are unbecoming of his vocal talent.

I'm a Jay-Z fan too, I just prefer Game. That doesnt mean I'm blind & oblivious

That wasnt my point anyway. My point is, why would you post it repeatedly when people have understood what your sayin first time (well most people have anyway)?

Stop being an idiot