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Israel's Impunity
The Overfiend:
Hahaaaaa...now why get all emotional with it?
Ok then, so you believe that 'there is no objectivity in socio-political matters'. But then, let me ask you this; do you think your average Israeli settler is thinking objectively or subjectively?
Really, your average fanatical Israeli settler only gives a damn for his own subjective perspective. The Ego. Me. Me. Me.
You may want to look up the meaning of the word 'objective'. Of course, there is an objective way of looking at the world my son, it is essential, as well as the subjective. I'm not arguing that either is correct, rather it is best to consider matters from a variety of perspectives. Now considering the subjective perspective of your average Palestinian kid, of course, its a tragic and unfair situation for these kids, there are no excuses and if you look back, I never actually offered any or try to justify the Palestinians being 'disposable', it was more rather a calm lament on the human condition.
And do not let my cold tone upset you, I assure you, beneath the blackened and gnarled exterior of this heart beats a love and empathy for humankind.
"...why? Because I never rejected him!"
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IslamInevitable:
i mean absolute objectivity son... and really the definition entails uninfluenced by emotions or personal prejudices...
any thought that a human conjours into his conciousness is influenced by his previous experiences = a prejudice
The Overfiend:
Ok good, you recognise there are downsides to both objective and subjective points of view:
--- Quote from: IslamInevitable on August 20, 2009, 07:04:56 PM ---any thought that a human conjours into his conciousness is influenced by his previous experiences = a prejudice
--- End quote ---
^thats the subjective
--- Quote from: IslamInevitable on August 20, 2009, 07:04:56 PM ---i mean absolute objectivity son... and really the definition entails uninfluenced by emotions or personal prejudices...
--- End quote ---
^the objective
Thats why its essential to consider both perspectives, how you going to only consider socio-political matters from a subjective perspective? You can, but then you are limiting your understanding.
IslamInevitable:
i dont think you understand what i'm saying....
im sayin that a human brain is incapable of seperating himself of his own prejudices... he can go far, but he'll never be completely objective... therefore he will always have an element of subjectivity with him...
obviously you think you have achieved a perspective of objectivity, but you fail to understand and probably have a defense mechanism for is that you are still very much subjective in that objective opinion, because you are still basing it on prejudices, - you may claim not - but you are and deep within your unconcious their influence exists!
The Overfiend:
Well I agree with that, we can take our objectivity far, but we may never be totally seperated from our personal experience. Thats the human condition.
But the question is, does it matter? Maybe all we need to do is 'go far', that is, be objective to an attainable utilitarian extent
For instance, in the West, we have laws on anti-discrimination, etc. These laws can't bring about the total end of discrimination or prejudice, but we can at least take it so far; so that people of all races, colours and creeds can, to an extent live together with some dignity, self-determination and peace.
Now for instance, in a society that champions subjectively-based social values like Israel (where Arabs can't marry Israelis or have certain jobs, where Israeli kids write messages on bombs to drop on Palestinian and Lebanese kids, etc) or Malaysia (where Muslim women can get whipped for drinking alcohol), individual self-determination and freedom is limited as a result of a lack of objective understanding and conscience within the culture and society. This is not only characteristic of such nation-States, but also such individuals who champion subjective thinking without tempering that centric-subjective thought with objective understanding: from your average Islamo-centric internet blogger, to your average Zionist-centric settler.
You won't last with religion
It deals with division: ALLAH is all
United we stand son, divided we fall
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