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Quote from: Chamillitary Click on September 07, 2009, 03:44:23 PMQuote from: rapsodie sees the bitch in you on September 07, 2009, 11:59:52 AMQuote from: Chamillitary Click on September 07, 2009, 09:24:21 AMi would say '90-'00 >>> any decade, for rap.i do admit i like gangsta rap more-so than any other type of rap, so i suppose you can call me biased.but like i was saying, classics were dropped even after Biggie died.the last true classic, that people throw in the conversations with the Biggie's & the Pac's is Eminem's MMLP.maybe mainstream music was dying at that time, but surely not to the state it's at now; at least they were rapping.I see The Blueprint and Stillmatic get thrown around as classics as well. Get Rich Or Die Tryin, Speakerboxx/The Love Below...Not too many after that, but there's a good reason. A classic is an album that has stood the test of time. We probably won't know more of this decade's classics until its over.true, but Eminem made such an impact with the race thing & his music (even if he has a majority white listeners) still sells as good as anybody.i would say his first two albums are true, undisputable classics; but i am an Eminem fan, so don't listen to me. Eminem has a strong contender for being GOAT (He is a great, but as for all time is debatable). Given his Catalog he has 2 classics under his belt 1 that's over the top, and 1 that's actually a really good piece of work that calls out bullshit. His other 3 albums are debatable, The Eminem show really is a good contender as being a classic, given the controversy it still sparked and is one of his last better lyrics ones, but Encore is by no means a contender as a classic in anyway. Relapse well that's debatable, given the time between the albums, the topics being the same, the same topics with no new expressions, only notables include "Beautiful" and "Déjà Vu" which show what the Entire album COULD of been. Instead its really rehash and fails to capture his former lyricism and doesn't really announce a return. Relapse 2 might be better given its said to be "underground" through out the entire album.
Quote from: rapsodie sees the bitch in you on September 07, 2009, 11:59:52 AMQuote from: Chamillitary Click on September 07, 2009, 09:24:21 AMi would say '90-'00 >>> any decade, for rap.i do admit i like gangsta rap more-so than any other type of rap, so i suppose you can call me biased.but like i was saying, classics were dropped even after Biggie died.the last true classic, that people throw in the conversations with the Biggie's & the Pac's is Eminem's MMLP.maybe mainstream music was dying at that time, but surely not to the state it's at now; at least they were rapping.I see The Blueprint and Stillmatic get thrown around as classics as well. Get Rich Or Die Tryin, Speakerboxx/The Love Below...Not too many after that, but there's a good reason. A classic is an album that has stood the test of time. We probably won't know more of this decade's classics until its over.true, but Eminem made such an impact with the race thing & his music (even if he has a majority white listeners) still sells as good as anybody.i would say his first two albums are true, undisputable classics; but i am an Eminem fan, so don't listen to me.
Quote from: Chamillitary Click on September 07, 2009, 09:24:21 AMi would say '90-'00 >>> any decade, for rap.i do admit i like gangsta rap more-so than any other type of rap, so i suppose you can call me biased.but like i was saying, classics were dropped even after Biggie died.the last true classic, that people throw in the conversations with the Biggie's & the Pac's is Eminem's MMLP.maybe mainstream music was dying at that time, but surely not to the state it's at now; at least they were rapping.I see The Blueprint and Stillmatic get thrown around as classics as well. Get Rich Or Die Tryin, Speakerboxx/The Love Below...Not too many after that, but there's a good reason. A classic is an album that has stood the test of time. We probably won't know more of this decade's classics until its over.
i would say '90-'00 >>> any decade, for rap.i do admit i like gangsta rap more-so than any other type of rap, so i suppose you can call me biased.but like i was saying, classics were dropped even after Biggie died.the last true classic, that people throw in the conversations with the Biggie's & the Pac's is Eminem's MMLP.maybe mainstream music was dying at that time, but surely not to the state it's at now; at least they were rapping.
Quote from: Blasphemy on September 07, 2009, 06:23:23 PMQuote from: Chamillitary Click on September 07, 2009, 03:44:23 PMQuote from: rapsodie sees the bitch in you on September 07, 2009, 11:59:52 AMQuote from: Chamillitary Click on September 07, 2009, 09:24:21 AMi would say '90-'00 >>> any decade, for rap.i do admit i like gangsta rap more-so than any other type of rap, so i suppose you can call me biased.but like i was saying, classics were dropped even after Biggie died.the last true classic, that people throw in the conversations with the Biggie's & the Pac's is Eminem's MMLP.maybe mainstream music was dying at that time, but surely not to the state it's at now; at least they were rapping.I see The Blueprint and Stillmatic get thrown around as classics as well. Get Rich Or Die Tryin, Speakerboxx/The Love Below...Not too many after that, but there's a good reason. A classic is an album that has stood the test of time. We probably won't know more of this decade's classics until its over.true, but Eminem made such an impact with the race thing & his music (even if he has a majority white listeners) still sells as good as anybody.i would say his first two albums are true, undisputable classics; but i am an Eminem fan, so don't listen to me. Eminem has a strong contender for being GOAT (He is a great, but as for all time is debatable). Given his Catalog he has 2 classics under his belt 1 that's over the top, and 1 that's actually a really good piece of work that calls out bullshit. His other 3 albums are debatable, The Eminem show really is a good contender as being a classic, given the controversy it still sparked and is one of his last better lyrics ones, but Encore is by no means a contender as a classic in anyway. Relapse well that's debatable, given the time between the albums, the topics being the same, the same topics with no new expressions, only notables include "Beautiful" and "Déjà Vu" which show what the Entire album COULD of been. Instead its really rehash and fails to capture his former lyricism and doesn't really announce a return. Relapse 2 might be better given its said to be "underground" through out the entire album.SSLP & MMLP are undisputable classics to me, just amazing work.Eminem Show has some real amazing & classic songs on it, but has a different side to it, it didn't have that dark feel to it; it's a personal classic to me; but disputable for debate.Encore? no, let's not go there lol.Relapse was great to me, but not as good as The Eminem Show, but much better than Encore.MMLP = SSLP > The Eminem Show > Relapse >>>>> Encore.
On the Eminem debate, it's not a solo effort but I think his work on the "8-Mile" soundtrack was some of the best of his career. No funny cartoon stuff and he wasn't trying to do any gangsta records on their either. I actually really love that soundtrack. I think 2002 was one of the last years where hip-hop still felt alive to me. There were signs that things were getting bad but it could still go either way at that point.