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Quote from: Vader on October 29, 2009, 04:53:03 PMQuote from: Paul on September 26, 2009, 06:49:13 AMlol, how Em is anything but a straight up mc i don't knowSo what? MC doesn't make you Hip Hop QuoteBun B interview in FC#17 2009Quote from: Rapsodie on October 29, 2009, 03:58:57 PMIts important to separate "hip hop music" from "hip hop culture."?Just because you do not like eminem doesn't mean you have the right to try and take his effect/advancement in the game.That Bun B interview ain't shit, because the general consensus of hip-hop is that there isn't any.Every motherfucker has there own definition for what is Hip-hop and rap.What makes a person real, what makes the person be the personification of it.
Quote from: Paul on September 26, 2009, 06:49:13 AMlol, how Em is anything but a straight up mc i don't knowSo what? MC doesn't make you Hip Hop QuoteBun B interview in FC#17 2009Quote from: Rapsodie on October 29, 2009, 03:58:57 PMIts important to separate "hip hop music" from "hip hop culture."?
lol, how Em is anything but a straight up mc i don't know
Bun B interview in FC#17 2009
Its important to separate "hip hop music" from "hip hop culture."
^^^You think The Documentary had a bigger impact than Stillmatic? Stillmatic/Blueprint produced one of the biggest hip hop rivalries in years. It had a way bigger effect than Game's debut.You talk about those albums like they are the holy grails of hip hop. But in reality there are many albums better than those 3.
Quote from: Blasphemy on October 29, 2009, 05:36:25 PMQuote from: Vader on October 29, 2009, 04:53:03 PMQuote from: Paul on September 26, 2009, 06:49:13 AMlol, how Em is anything but a straight up mc i don't knowSo what? MC doesn't make you Hip Hop QuoteBun B interview in FC#17 2009Quote from: Rapsodie on October 29, 2009, 03:58:57 PMIts important to separate "hip hop music" from "hip hop culture."?Just because you do not like eminem doesn't mean you have the right to try and take his effect/advancement in the game.That Bun B interview ain't shit, because the general consensus of hip-hop is that there isn't any.Every motherfucker has there own definition for what is Hip-hop and rap.What makes a person real, what makes the person be the personification of it. fine be stubborn,you know better than Bun-B.
Quote from: Rapsodie on October 29, 2009, 06:40:55 PM^^^You think The Documentary had a bigger impact than Stillmatic? Stillmatic/Blueprint produced one of the biggest hip hop rivalries in years. It had a way bigger effect than Game's debut.You talk about those albums like they are the holy grails of hip hop. But in reality there are many albums better than those 3. I don't really count a HIp-Hop rivalies as a impact unless the end result was something like the 2pac and biggie deal (Were when both died, west rap nearly died, and east coast took a hit).Besides I named a FEW not all. Illimatic redefined lyricism, wtf stillmatic do? Not a damn thing, The 3 I mention had more impact in changing the game :/ like I said, they are still dope albums, but there impact is minimal to none.
Quote from: Vader on October 30, 2009, 05:16:03 AMQuote from: Blasphemy on October 29, 2009, 05:36:25 PMQuote from: Vader on October 29, 2009, 04:53:03 PMQuote from: Paul on September 26, 2009, 06:49:13 AMlol, how Em is anything but a straight up MC i don't knowSo what? MC doesn't make you Hip Hop QuoteBun B interview in FC#17 2009Quote from: Rapsodie on October 29, 2009, 03:58:57 PMIts important to separate "hip hop music" from "hip hop culture."?Just because you do not like eminem doesn't mean you have the right to try and take his effect/advancement in the game.That Bun B interview ain't shit, because the general consensus of hip-hop is that there isn't any.Every motherfucker has there own definition for what is Hip-hop and rap.What makes a person real, what makes the person be the personification of it. fine be stubborn,you know better than Bun-B. Since when does Bun-B speak for hip hop? I suppose you think he knows better than KRS-One?Blasphemy is right, every person in the rap game has a different opinion of what hip hop is. One rapper's opinion means squat.
Quote from: Blasphemy on October 29, 2009, 05:36:25 PMQuote from: Vader on October 29, 2009, 04:53:03 PMQuote from: Paul on September 26, 2009, 06:49:13 AMlol, how Em is anything but a straight up MC i don't knowSo what? MC doesn't make you Hip Hop QuoteBun B interview in FC#17 2009Quote from: Rapsodie on October 29, 2009, 03:58:57 PMIts important to separate "hip hop music" from "hip hop culture."?Just because you do not like eminem doesn't mean you have the right to try and take his effect/advancement in the game.That Bun B interview ain't shit, because the general consensus of hip-hop is that there isn't any.Every motherfucker has there own definition for what is Hip-hop and rap.What makes a person real, what makes the person be the personification of it. fine be stubborn,you know better than Bun-B.
Quote from: Vader on October 29, 2009, 04:53:03 PMQuote from: Paul on September 26, 2009, 06:49:13 AMlol, how Em is anything but a straight up MC i don't knowSo what? MC doesn't make you Hip Hop QuoteBun B interview in FC#17 2009Quote from: Rapsodie on October 29, 2009, 03:58:57 PMIts important to separate "hip hop music" from "hip hop culture."?Just because you do not like eminem doesn't mean you have the right to try and take his effect/advancement in the game.That Bun B interview ain't shit, because the general consensus of hip-hop is that there isn't any.Every motherfucker has there own definition for what is Hip-hop and rap.What makes a person real, what makes the person be the personification of it.
Quote from: Paul on September 26, 2009, 06:49:13 AMlol, how Em is anything but a straight up MC i don't knowSo what? MC doesn't make you Hip Hop QuoteBun B interview in FC#17 2009Quote from: Rapsodie on October 29, 2009, 03:58:57 PMIts important to separate "hip hop music" from "hip hop culture."?
lol, how Em is anything but a straight up MC i don't know
Quote from: Rapsodie on October 30, 2009, 01:53:47 PMQuote from: Vader on October 30, 2009, 05:16:03 AMQuote from: Blasphemy on October 29, 2009, 05:36:25 PMQuote from: Vader on October 29, 2009, 04:53:03 PMQuote from: Paul on September 26, 2009, 06:49:13 AMlol, how Em is anything but a straight up MC i don't knowSo what? MC doesn't make you Hip Hop QuoteBun B interview in FC#17 2009Quote from: Rapsodie on October 29, 2009, 03:58:57 PMIts important to separate "hip hop music" from "hip hop culture."?Just because you do not like eminem doesn't mean you have the right to try and take his effect/advancement in the game.That Bun B interview ain't shit, because the general consensus of hip-hop is that there isn't any.Every motherfucker has there own definition for what is Hip-hop and rap.What makes a person real, what makes the person be the personification of it. fine be stubborn,you know better than Bun-B. Since when does Bun-B speak for hip hop? I suppose you think he knows better than KRS-One?Blasphemy is right, every person in the rap game has a different opinion of what hip hop is. One rapper's opinion means squat.Speak for Hip Hop.... nah,but he speaks the truth.KRS? KRS will support his words 100%.Don't speak on shit you obviously don't know shit about.You can't read yourself to Hip Hop....Now,either you go out and learn what Hip Hop Really is or go back into your little pretend world and think Eminem,gangster rap and so is Hip Hop. Since you was so smart to bring KRS into the mix I was there.... and where were you? http://www.youtube.com/v/6LBraR5bc6U&hl=en&fs=1What a fantastic song
Quote from: Vader on October 30, 2009, 02:24:44 PMQuote from: Rapsodie on October 30, 2009, 01:53:47 PMQuote from: Vader on October 30, 2009, 05:16:03 AMQuote from: Blasphemy on October 29, 2009, 05:36:25 PMQuote from: Vader on October 29, 2009, 04:53:03 PMQuote from: Paul on September 26, 2009, 06:49:13 AMlol, how Em is anything but a straight up MC i don't knowSo what? MC doesn't make you Hip Hop QuoteBun B interview in FC#17 2009Quote from: Rapsodie on October 29, 2009, 03:58:57 PMIts important to separate "hip hop music" from "hip hop culture."?Just because you do not like eminem doesn't mean you have the right to try and take his effect/advancement in the game.That Bun B interview ain't shit, because the general consensus of hip-hop is that there isn't any.Every motherfucker has there own definition for what is Hip-hop and rap.What makes a person real, what makes the person be the personification of it. fine be stubborn,you know better than Bun-B. Since when does Bun-B speak for hip hop? I suppose you think he knows better than KRS-One?Blasphemy is right, every person in the rap game has a different opinion of what hip hop is. One rapper's opinion means squat.Speak for Hip Hop.... nah,but he speaks the truth.KRS? KRS will support his words 100%.Don't speak on shit you obviously don't know shit about.You can't read yourself to Hip Hop....Now,either you go out and learn what Hip Hop Really is or go back into your little pretend world and think Eminem,gangster rap and so is Hip Hop. Since you was so smart to bring KRS into the mix I was there.... and where were you? http://www.youtube.com/v/6LBraR5bc6U&hl=en&fs=1What a fantastic song Go check the interview where KRS One says that 50 Cent is hip hop because he comes with that hardcore street shit. You really have no clue do you?One rapper says something is hip hop. One rapper will say it isn't hip hop.Do you know how many hip hop legends show love to Ice T and Ice Cube for being hip hop pioneers? (the two rappers who are the epitome of gangster)There are rappers with more credibility than Bun B who say gangster rap is definitely hip hop. That's just his one opinion.It doesn't fucking matter because opinions are like asshole and everyone has one.
and Vader you're hating on Eminem is making you appear nothing more then a Ignorant bitch.Track's like Stan, have shown its effect. You don't have to Like the mother fucker, but you have to give proper credit were credit is deserved.
Vader, despite the Interview you linked up,the fact is everyone has a different view of Hip-Hop, real, whats fake, and what's just plain bullshit and what's classic, and what's had a impact.The point is no one can define it for everyone.
If you're honestly using KRS to support Bun Bs words, then you're nothing more then a fake mother fucker who NEEDS other people to tell them what's Hip-Hop, what it means, and who is or isn't. You're dumbass can't push that bullshit on me.
And I don't know why you are bringing up Eminem, but speaking of Eminem, another rapper your boy KRS One has given props to.You need to do your research concerning what rappers do or do not think is hip hop.
Quote from: Rapsodie on October 30, 2009, 06:22:32 PMAnd I don't know why you are bringing up Eminem, but speaking of Eminem, another rapper your boy KRS One has given props to.You need to do your research concerning what rappers do or do not think is hip hop.Eminem is a very talented song writer. I give him props for that as well..... but in my opinion he's not Hip Hop....
The Documentary, The Game's first album a certified classic, sure the club presence was there do to 50 cent, but the topics, the ambition, everything was there. The album brought back spotlight and brought attention to many west coast rappers who would of never gotten into the game. Though the fact this album never will be praised for its lyricism do to the constant name dropping, its effect in westcoast hip hop is evidence, with the new array of west coast rappers finally getting a chance to be show case. Only question is, who will capitalize off this new found spotlight, and who will become the next stepping stone into bring back West Coast rap back from the blacklist and get a chance of fairplay.
Quote from: Vader on October 30, 2009, 10:31:03 PMQuote from: Rapsodie on October 30, 2009, 06:22:32 PMAnd I don't know why you are bringing up Eminem, but speaking of Eminem, another rapper your boy KRS One has given props to.You need to do your research concerning what rappers do or do not think is hip hop.Eminem is a very talented song writer. I give him props for that as well..... but in my opinion he's not Hip Hop....fixed. But again, your personal opinion is as irrelevant as Bun B's. I've already pointed out, using your own criteria (rapper's opinions, in this case KRS-One's), how Eminem is in fact hip hop. This is one of the last guys you want to accuse of not being hip hop, considering he actually comes from the emcee culture of cyphers.
lmao, all your talk about what is and isn't hip hop and you can't even come up with even a definition of what it is. Its because its impossible. You can't draw lines. And what you were doing in 83 is meaningless to this discussion. How many times do I have to point out all the conflicting opinions of everyone who has ever been involved in hip hop? What Rakim considers hip hop is different than what KRS One considers hip hop. Which is different than what Rev Run considers hip hop, or what Nas considers hip hop. This isn't arguable, this is fact. So which one of these rapper's are you basing your views on exactly? Please indulge me, which one of these rapper's is speaking the truth about what is hip hop, since they all have different opinions? Whichever one you pick, you better make sure you do your research, as you already showed in the KRS One example that you really don't know what these rappers' views are.
Game's album helpped West Coast return from the black list and years of obsecurity, I'm not saying it IS a classic, but it has SOME chance of being a classic.