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Quote from: scratch42069 on October 16, 2009, 09:32:10 AMQuote from: eNgIeS on October 16, 2009, 09:13:21 AMQuote from: scratch42069 on October 16, 2009, 08:16:41 AMPeople aren't bitching because the tracks are wack, they're bitching because recordings that are newer than The Chronic are being put out and they're sounding worse. The age of the masters is a nice excuse but unfortunately doesn't fly because The Chronic is older than this material and sounds way better. Why would age deteriorate Snoop's material but not Dr. Dre's Chronic album?The Chronic was an officially released album. I'm sure they had masters and copies of those masters for back up. These unreleased songs may not have been treated with as much care perhaps because as we know most of them seem like songs that werent finished and werent planning on being released. Its one possible answer. Again you could be right, but the fact is no one really knows unless they have seen the inner workings of the stuff wide awake have from the vaults and what they did after to try and make them as best of quality as they couldIn the record biz, all masters = money, regardless if it's released or not. They all would have been stored the same way and according to the legal docs, they were stored in cardboard boxes. If age was a factor in the sound quality, The Chronic would have sounded the same as The Lost Sessions but it didn't. The sound quality problems are a result of "Justin Burdick" (which I believe is a pseudonym for someone) fucking it up. It had nothing to do with age or the mastering, it was all in the mixing.i think that they used a cd-rip of the chronic and ran it through a compressor and called it a remaster. if it was really re-recorded from the masters then the track times would vary a bit from previous releases - which they do not.
Quote from: eNgIeS on October 16, 2009, 09:13:21 AMQuote from: scratch42069 on October 16, 2009, 08:16:41 AMPeople aren't bitching because the tracks are wack, they're bitching because recordings that are newer than The Chronic are being put out and they're sounding worse. The age of the masters is a nice excuse but unfortunately doesn't fly because The Chronic is older than this material and sounds way better. Why would age deteriorate Snoop's material but not Dr. Dre's Chronic album?The Chronic was an officially released album. I'm sure they had masters and copies of those masters for back up. These unreleased songs may not have been treated with as much care perhaps because as we know most of them seem like songs that werent finished and werent planning on being released. Its one possible answer. Again you could be right, but the fact is no one really knows unless they have seen the inner workings of the stuff wide awake have from the vaults and what they did after to try and make them as best of quality as they couldIn the record biz, all masters = money, regardless if it's released or not. They all would have been stored the same way and according to the legal docs, they were stored in cardboard boxes. If age was a factor in the sound quality, The Chronic would have sounded the same as The Lost Sessions but it didn't. The sound quality problems are a result of "Justin Burdick" (which I believe is a pseudonym for someone) fucking it up. It had nothing to do with age or the mastering, it was all in the mixing.
Quote from: scratch42069 on October 16, 2009, 08:16:41 AMPeople aren't bitching because the tracks are wack, they're bitching because recordings that are newer than The Chronic are being put out and they're sounding worse. The age of the masters is a nice excuse but unfortunately doesn't fly because The Chronic is older than this material and sounds way better. Why would age deteriorate Snoop's material but not Dr. Dre's Chronic album?The Chronic was an officially released album. I'm sure they had masters and copies of those masters for back up. These unreleased songs may not have been treated with as much care perhaps because as we know most of them seem like songs that werent finished and werent planning on being released. Its one possible answer. Again you could be right, but the fact is no one really knows unless they have seen the inner workings of the stuff wide awake have from the vaults and what they did after to try and make them as best of quality as they could
People aren't bitching because the tracks are wack, they're bitching because recordings that are newer than The Chronic are being put out and they're sounding worse. The age of the masters is a nice excuse but unfortunately doesn't fly because The Chronic is older than this material and sounds way better. Why would age deteriorate Snoop's material but not Dr. Dre's Chronic album?
i think most people were expecting an album full of doggystyles and next episodes. i'm guessing those tracks were leaked for a reason though because they were so amazing and somebody felt the need to get them out there. if hoez had leaked would anybody have cared?lost sessions is good imo. its got some weak songs but a lot of very good songs. i don't think you guys know the nature of these leftover albums since hip hop hasn't had too many of them. like beatles fans will listen to hours of alternate takes to find some good or at least interesting throw away material. wideawake probably passed on some seriously garbage material and compiled some of the best. are there left over verses and some crap? yeah i still find it interesting to hear this material and enjoy a lot of it.the mastering is def bullshit though i agree with that.anybody notice snoop saying "for fucking with them lil niggas they aint to be fucked with"... wonder if half dead got that from snoop
The only shame in all of this is Suge Knight had to fuck Death Row up. If he didnt be so corrupt and turn it into a street label filled with no-hopers hanging around and disrupting the original creative formula of the Chronic and Doggystyle, then we could've had more classics to listen to. I mean its pretty much known Dre by late 93 and 94 was choosing to work from his own crib rather than deal with the madness inside Death Row's own studio's. We may have heard Eargasm, Helter Skelter, Chronic 2, hell maybe Doggystyle 2. Instead Suge fucked it up for everyone
hoez has been out for over 10 years
QuoteThe only shame in all of this is Suge Knight had to fuck Death Row up. If he didnt be so corrupt and turn it into a street label filled with no-hopers hanging around and disrupting the original creative formula of the Chronic and Doggystyle, then we could've had more classics to listen to. I mean its pretty much known Dre by late 93 and 94 was choosing to work from his own crib rather than deal with the madness inside Death Row's own studio's. We may have heard Eargasm, Helter Skelter, Chronic 2, hell maybe Doggystyle 2. Instead Suge fucked it up for everyoneThis is all just speculation and I don't think you're being very objective at all. These albums may never have seen the day even if that was the case considering it's been 10 years and we still haven't seen "Detox." We wouldn't have had "All Eyez On Me" if Suge wasn't around, he executive produced (picked the tracks) and Pac didn't get along with Dre. It was Suge who put up the money to get Pac on the label and aggressively pursued him. These posts are mindless hating and just plain ignorant. You never would have had "Chronic 2000" or "2002" if that was the case too. If you want to criticize Suge for not releasing any artists albums post 2000, I think that's completely fair. But to single him out in the 90's when Death Row was priming and making money, is just unfair and ignorant. He also got Dre off his contract with Jerry Heller too so there wouldn't have been a "Chronic" album if that didn't happen.
Quote from: love33 on October 17, 2009, 05:15:05 PMQuoteThe only shame in all of this is Suge Knight had to fuck Death Row up. If he didnt be so corrupt and turn it into a street label filled with no-hopers hanging around and disrupting the original creative formula of the Chronic and Doggystyle, then we could've had more classics to listen to. I mean its pretty much known Dre by late 93 and 94 was choosing to work from his own crib rather than deal with the madness inside Death Row's own studio's. We may have heard Eargasm, Helter Skelter, Chronic 2, hell maybe Doggystyle 2. Instead Suge fucked it up for everyoneThis is all just speculation and I don't think you're being very objective at all. These albums may never have seen the day even if that was the case considering it's been 10 years and we still haven't seen "Detox." We wouldn't have had "All Eyez On Me" if Suge wasn't around, he executive produced (picked the tracks) and Pac didn't get along with Dre. It was Suge who put up the money to get Pac on the label and aggressively pursued him. These posts are mindless hating and just plain ignorant. You never would have had "Chronic 2000" or "2002" if that was the case too. If you want to criticize Suge for not releasing any artists albums post 2000, I think that's completely fair. But to single him out in the 90's when Death Row was priming and making money, is just unfair and ignorant. He also got Dre off his contract with Jerry Heller too so there wouldn't have been a "Chronic" album if that didn't happen.Suge did a few good things I agree, but his bad things outweighed the good. You can't hold charity dinners to front on the bullshit abuse of power and bullying he did. Plus he probably was involved in Biggie being killed, and he led 2Pac down a pathway into street violence that 2Pac wouldnt have been involved in if not for the influence of Suge.I still can't believe that people defend Suge. He's a an absolute asshole woman beating fraudulent scumbag that screwed up alot of lifes and careers.
Quote from: eNgIeS on October 17, 2009, 10:12:05 PMQuote from: love33 on October 17, 2009, 05:15:05 PMQuoteThe only shame in all of this is Suge Knight had to fuck Death Row up. If he didnt be so corrupt and turn it into a street label filled with no-hopers hanging around and disrupting the original creative formula of the Chronic and Doggystyle, then we could've had more classics to listen to. I mean its pretty much known Dre by late 93 and 94 was choosing to work from his own crib rather than deal with the madness inside Death Row's own studio's. We may have heard Eargasm, Helter Skelter, Chronic 2, hell maybe Doggystyle 2. Instead Suge fucked it up for everyoneThis is all just speculation and I don't think you're being very objective at all. These albums may never have seen the day even if that was the case considering it's been 10 years and we still haven't seen "Detox." We wouldn't have had "All Eyez On Me" if Suge wasn't around, he executive produced (picked the tracks) and Pac didn't get along with Dre. It was Suge who put up the money to get Pac on the label and aggressively pursued him. These posts are mindless hating and just plain ignorant. You never would have had "Chronic 2000" or "2002" if that was the case too. If you want to criticize Suge for not releasing any artists albums post 2000, I think that's completely fair. But to single him out in the 90's when Death Row was priming and making money, is just unfair and ignorant. He also got Dre off his contract with Jerry Heller too so there wouldn't have been a "Chronic" album if that didn't happen.Suge did a few good things I agree, but his bad things outweighed the good. You can't hold charity dinners to front on the bullshit abuse of power and bullying he did. Plus he probably was involved in Biggie being killed, and he led 2Pac down a pathway into street violence that 2Pac wouldnt have been involved in if not for the influence of Suge.I still can't believe that people defend Suge. He's a an absolute asshole woman beating fraudulent scumbag that screwed up alot of lifes and careers.Suge is responsible for the Chronic, Doggystyle, All Eyez, Makaveli and several great music videosbut his music choices post-2pac are horribleand for the record, Napoleon and Big Syke both say Suge did not have anything to do with 2pac's death. i know that will be brought up if it hasn't already.
Quote from: hobomotel on October 14, 2009, 12:50:19 AMQuote from: Davizz on October 14, 2009, 12:32:26 AM"Funk Wit Ya Brain" is the bomb!!! P-Funk!Do you know what that track samples?Tom Browne - Thighs High (Grip Your Hips And Move)Code: [Select]http://www.zshare.net/audio/66933686f752449a
Quote from: Davizz on October 14, 2009, 12:32:26 AM"Funk Wit Ya Brain" is the bomb!!! P-Funk!Do you know what that track samples?
"Funk Wit Ya Brain" is the bomb!!! P-Funk!
http://www.zshare.net/audio/66933686f752449a
Quote from: Hack Wilson on October 17, 2009, 10:55:31 PMQuote from: eNgIeS on October 17, 2009, 10:12:05 PMQuote from: love33 on October 17, 2009, 05:15:05 PMQuoteThe only shame in all of this is Suge Knight had to fuck Death Row up. If he didnt be so corrupt and turn it into a street label filled with no-hopers hanging around and disrupting the original creative formula of the Chronic and Doggystyle, then we could've had more classics to listen to. I mean its pretty much known Dre by late 93 and 94 was choosing to work from his own crib rather than deal with the madness inside Death Row's own studio's. We may have heard Eargasm, Helter Skelter, Chronic 2, hell maybe Doggystyle 2. Instead Suge fucked it up for everyoneThis is all just speculation and I don't think you're being very objective at all. These albums may never have seen the day even if that was the case considering it's been 10 years and we still haven't seen "Detox." We wouldn't have had "All Eyez On Me" if Suge wasn't around, he executive produced (picked the tracks) and Pac didn't get along with Dre. It was Suge who put up the money to get Pac on the label and aggressively pursued him. These posts are mindless hating and just plain ignorant. You never would have had "Chronic 2000" or "2002" if that was the case too. If you want to criticize Suge for not releasing any artists albums post 2000, I think that's completely fair. But to single him out in the 90's when Death Row was priming and making money, is just unfair and ignorant. He also got Dre off his contract with Jerry Heller too so there wouldn't have been a "Chronic" album if that didn't happen.Suge did a few good things I agree, but his bad things outweighed the good. You can't hold charity dinners to front on the bullshit abuse of power and bullying he did. Plus he probably was involved in Biggie being killed, and he led 2Pac down a pathway into street violence that 2Pac wouldnt have been involved in if not for the influence of Suge.I still can't believe that people defend Suge. He's a an absolute asshole woman beating fraudulent scumbag that screwed up alot of lifes and careers.Suge is responsible for the Chronic, Doggystyle, All Eyez, Makaveli and several great music videosbut his music choices post-2pac are horribleand for the record, Napoleon and Big Syke both say Suge did not have anything to do with 2pac's death. i know that will be brought up if it hasn't already.Lol yes i'm sure Suge was every reason the Chronic was successfull. I wasn't the fact that Dr. Dre, of N.W.A. fame, was the title artist, producer & rapper on the album. It wasn't the assembly of artists and musicians who worked hours on end with Dre to make the album, it was alllllll Suge. Suge the former NFL wanna be turned wanna be piru and then eventually M.O.B. The most important man in the world.Suge may have not set 2Pac up for the hit, but he got 2Pac involved in a path that he didnt need to take. 2Pac had no reason, other than Suge, to be involved in M.O.B. and there beef with SSC, that led to 2Pac making the stupid decision to beat up Orlando Anderson. He didn;t pull the trigger but he set the events in motion (not that he should be entirely blamed). At least Dr. Dre figured what Suge was about, thus staying away from Death Row's usual studio until he's eventual departure in 1996. Snoop was smart enough to stay out of that shit too. Unfortunately Pac wasn't