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Shallow:
--- Quote from: Chamillitary Click on October 22, 2009, 08:40:04 PM ---^so you're upset & dislike the fact that Brady gets so much praise, but you don't think that he will be remembered as a great?
Lefty Grove the starter? who faced Babe Ruth 90% of games at least once?
& i will ignore that because he was playing with inferior pitching too.
lol, i admit the guy is the best baseball player of all time, just not the greatest HR hitter & it's just not enough lmao.
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"I have no doubt he'll be remembered as such". I do think he'll be remembered asa great. I just don't think he would have been if he played on a shit team. I'd say the same about Bradshaw, Namath, Starr, etc.
Prove to me that the pitching was inferior. You're the one that likes facts and stats, and proof. Where is the proof. It's all speculation that a guy from today would walk into the 20s and pop 'em out like no tomorrow.
And who is this left hander that Bonds faced in 90% of his games?
Chamillitary Click:
^my bad, i didn't see you say "no doubt he will", i thought it read, "i doubt he will". :-X :-[
& my proof is simply logic.
people back then had other jobs in the off season, they weren't concerned about staying at the top of their game.
they would put a bat or ball down in late September & not pick another one up until March.
today a guy like A-Rod or Pujols or Johan or Lincecum barely have an off season.
i'm sure they take a few months off when the season ends, but by Decemeber they are getting into a zone.
the game was still developing back then.
& every team in major league baseball has at least one left handed specialist to get left handed batters out.
I.E. Phil Coke & Damaso Marte for the Yankees; they might not even have jobs if statistics didn't show they can get left handed batters out more efficiently than right handed pitchers.
OchoCinco:
Frankly the level of talent in sports today is so far above what it used to be back in the days of Babe Ruth its impossible to try and compare. You can say that Babe Ruth was amazing and all this but truly he would probably look average with todays pitchers and level of talent all around.
And the WOW at the titans i got to watch this game this weekend before work n i was fuckin laughing. Brady lit them the fuck up.
Shallow:
--- Quote from: Chamillitary Click on October 23, 2009, 09:36:11 AM ---^my bad, i didn't see you say "no doubt he will", i thought it read, "i doubt he will". :-X :-[
& my proof is simply logic.
people back then had other jobs in the off season, they weren't concerned about staying at the top of their game.
they would put a bat or ball down in late September & not pick another one up until March.
today a guy like A-Rod or Pujols or Johan or Lincecum barely have an off season.
i'm sure they take a few months off when the season ends, but by Decemeber they are getting into a zone.
the game was still developing back then.
& every team in major league baseball has at least one left handed specialist to get left handed batters out.
I.E. Phil Coke & Damaso Marte for the Yankees; they might not even have jobs if statistics didn't show they can get left handed batters out more efficiently than right handed pitchers.
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1) If your logic is true then the great players today would have been much worse than they are if they had to only play a few months a year and work the rest of the time. If Barry Bonds had no training schedule, no steroids, no off time to rest and practice, not making staying on top of his game his first priority in life, he would have had far less homeruns. If that logic is true what Babe did was harder because he did what no one around him could do.
2) It's all a big if, isn't it? You scoff at my logic that if Peyton Manning had 100 more pass attempts in 04 he'd have had another 10 or 11 TDs, but you use the same type of shit to argue against the Babe.
3) My logic goes the other way on this big if. Maybe they didn't have the full development of the game and trained the same way, but neither did Ruth so it would even out. He still hit more HRs per at bat. The league had half the teams, so half the spots were available, and there were no other prominant pro sports so the best athletes in the country only played baseball. If the MLB decided to cut the league to 8 teams each tomorrow, every team would have 5 aces starting and two all star closers as relievers, then an amazing closer. They also have two clean up hitters batting 4th and 8th. If today's USA decided that only baseball would be a sport then every superstar athlete playing football or basketball would focus on baseball making the competition that much harder and making the level of play higher. The MLB today would be insane under those circumstances. Well those were the circumstances back then, and I'm not saying it was harder then,but I could argue that those circumstances then equate it to the current diluted league.
4) But in the end it's all ifs. What isn't an if is 1 HR every 11.7 at bats. Leading the league in HRs 12 times; more than Bonds, Aaron and McGwire combined. And what isn't an if is that he did it all in a stadium that was 490 up the middle.
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