Why in hell were these Relit and Lost Sessions Track Not Used For Doggfather?

[TraceOneInfinite]

THIS IS THE REAL SHIT WE'VE BEEN WAITIN FOR!  This is the sound I was expectin to hear way back when I cut from school to cop the Doggfather album the day it came out November 96'

I'm just now gettin around to checkin out this shit and it is insane... some song with Snoop and an ill cat named Treat, I'd never heard of.  This shit is sick!!!!  This "Poor Young Dave" track is the Snoop that ruled the hip-hop world in 93' that we haven't seen since his Murder trial and Pac's death got him shook.   Don't get me wrong I still love Snoop and the shit he's came with since...  And Kurupt is rappin out of his mind on these tracks, like the one he did with CPO, all those could of added flavor and guest appearances to a real Snoop album that the whole world was wantin.  But instead he came with that weak-ass DJ Pooh Doggfather flop.  Don't get me wrong, I still love the album, but it wasn't the REAL SHIT that the public was demanding back in the day.

WHY IN THE HELL WERE THESE TRACKS NOT USED FOR DOGGFATHER.  They should of cleaned um up, mixed them, and compiled them in the right way and turned it into the Doggfather album.  Maybe only the hardest cuts like.."Blueberry".

[acgrundy]

an ill cat named Treat?  You mean Threat?  You never heard of Threat?

Doggfather is a dope album, and just about every track on it is dope

[TraceOneInfinite]

an ill cat named Treat?  You mean Threat?  You never heard of Threat?

Doggfather is a dope album, and just about every track on it is dope

No I've never heard of Threat.. Doggfather was not the sound we were wantin at the time.. you probably got into hip-hop in 2000 or something when "Forgot About Dre" came out, and by that time Doggfather sounded okay to you.

[acgrundy]

an ill cat named Treat?  You mean Threat?  You never heard of Threat?

Doggfather is a dope album, and just about every track on it is dope

No I've never heard of Threat.. Doggfather was not the sound we were wantin at the time.. you probably got into hip-hop in 2000 or something when "Forgot About Dre" came out, and by that time Doggfather sounded okay to you.

You probably have no idea what your talking about. Wait, scratch that, not probably, you have no idea what you are talking about.

I bought Doggfather the day it came out.

LMAO @ you saying I probably got into rap in 2000 when Forgot about Dre came out...haha, bro, you are the one who doesn't know who Threat is.

[TraceOneInfinite]

an ill cat named Treat?  You mean Threat?  You never heard of Threat?

Doggfather is a dope album, and just about every track on it is dope

No I've never heard of Threat.. Doggfather was not the sound we were wantin at the time.. you probably got into hip-hop in 2000 or something when "Forgot About Dre" came out, and by that time Doggfather sounded okay to you.

You probably have no idea what your talking about. Wait, scratch that, not probably, you have no idea what you are talking about.

I bought Doggfather the day it came out.

LMAO @ you saying I probably got into rap in 2000 when Forgot about Dre came out...haha, bro, you are the one who doesn't know who Threat is.

Sure I believe you

[D-Nice]

Just a theory of mine, don't bet the house on it.  

I honestly believe at that stage of Snoop's career he wanted to show everyone that he could make a dope album without Dre's help. I really think he wanted to show he could hold his own without Dre.

Also at the time possibly there could have been royalty issues with using Dre produced tracks. I highly doubt it as Suge was always quick to say Dre lefted with nothing but I really do think Snoop did not use the tracks to prove a point. He was on a couple radio shows pissed off at the time that Dre lefted the label.

[acgrundy]

an ill cat named Treat?  You mean Threat?  You never heard of Threat?

Doggfather is a dope album, and just about every track on it is dope

No I've never heard of Threat.. Doggfather was not the sound we were wantin at the time.. you probably got into hip-hop in 2000 or something when "Forgot About Dre" came out, and by that time Doggfather sounded okay to you.

You probably have no idea what your talking about. Wait, scratch that, not probably, you have no idea what you are talking about.

I bought Doggfather the day it came out.

LMAO @ you saying I probably got into rap in 2000 when Forgot about Dre came out...haha, bro, you are the one who doesn't know who Threat is.

Sure I believe you

LOL, you are an idiot dude.  You used to be fucking in love w/ eminem, and you talking shit to me about getting into hip hop in 2000?  I GUARANTEE my west coast rap collection would blow yours out of the water.

Again, you are the same guy who doesn't know who Threat is.  Ever hear of a lil soundtrack called Friday?  You probably ditched school to go get that too huh?  fuckin dumbass

[TraceOneInfinite]

Just a theory of mine, don't bet the house on it.  

I honestly believe at that stage of Snoop's career he wanted to show everyone that he could make a dope album without Dre's help. I really think he wanted to show he could hold his own without Dre.

Also at the time possibly there could have been royalty issues with using Dre produced tracks. I highly doubt it as Suge was always quick to say Dre lefted with nothing but I really do think Snoop did not use the tracks to prove a point. He was on a couple radio shows pissed off at the time that Dre lefted the label.

Well what I've noticed is it seems that the reason Daz's 98' album Revenge Retaliation Get Back came out so hott, is because it he used alot of the old sounds from the Death Row's golden era of 92-96.   "O.G"s was obviously an old cut that has now ended up on Lost Sessions, and ofcourse "Initiated" had to be an old cut with Pac on it.  Probably a Pac origional Daz had.  I think all his cuts with Kurupt on the album were probably Dogg Food era tracks.

So I think Daz was the smart one for making use of older material as he grew further away from his prime (On Revenge Retaliation Get back).  Snoop was being stubborn at the time Doggfather was made.  Along with the reasons you gave I think after being found Not Giulty from his Murder Trial he had a new outlook on life, and no longer related to the older music he did in his prime.  So he came with that weak DJ Pooh shit.

[TraceOneInfinite]

LOL, you are an idiot dude.  You used to be fucking in love w/ eminem, and you talking shit to me about getting into hip hop in 2000?  I GUARANTEE my west coast rap collection would blow yours out of the water.

Again, you are the same guy who doesn't know who Threat is.  Ever hear of a lil soundtrack called Friday?  You probably ditched school to go get that too huh?  fuckin dumbass

What the fuck does me being an Eminem fan have to do with anything?  Dr. Dre is an Eminem fan and said that Marshall Mathers LP is the closest thing he's ever made to a perfect record (Vibe Magazine), does that mean he doesn't know shit about hip-hop?

The point is that I came into listenin to rap when I was 11 and the Chronic came out.  So I know what the atmosphere was around the time that Doggfather dropped, and I know for certain that there was a huge 3 year buzz that had been biuldin for the Doggfather album, and fans didn't get what they had been fiendin' for when Doggfather hit.  It wasn't the trademark Death Row sound everyone was checkin for, and fell way short of expectations.

[D-Nice]

Just a theory of mine, don't bet the house on it.  

I honestly believe at that stage of Snoop's career he wanted to show everyone that he could make a dope album without Dre's help. I really think he wanted to show he could hold his own without Dre.

Also at the time possibly there could have been royalty issues with using Dre produced tracks. I highly doubt it as Suge was always quick to say Dre lefted with nothing but I really do think Snoop did not use the tracks to prove a point. He was on a couple radio shows pissed off at the time that Dre lefted the label.

Well what I've noticed is it seems that the reason Daz's 98' album Revenge Retaliation Get Back came out so hott, is because it he used alot of the old sounds from the Death Row's golden era of 92-96.   "O.G"s was obviously an old cut that has now ended up on Lost Sessions, and ofcourse "Initiated" had to be an old cut with Pac on it.  Probably a Pac origional Daz had.  I think all his cuts with Kurupt on the album were probably Dogg Food era tracks.

So I think Daz was the smart one for making use of older material as he grew further away from his prime (On Revenge Retaliation Get back).  Snoop was being stubborn at the time Doggfather was made.  Along with the reasons you gave I think after being found Not Giulty from his Murder Trial he had a new outlook on life, and no longer related to the older music he did in his prime.  So he came with that weak DJ Pooh shit.

Yeah but Daz's sound was evolving around that time as well. I say all the way up to his R.A.W. album almost every beat he was dropping was hot. Around that time he did the majority of Gang Related, a good portion of Doggfather and RR&GB. All quality production. I honestly feel like Snoop felt Dre owed him more at the time then to leave the way he did. And early in his career he was set on proving people wrong that he could do it on his own.

[TraceOneInfinite]

Just a theory of mine, don't bet the house on it.  

I honestly believe at that stage of Snoop's career he wanted to show everyone that he could make a dope album without Dre's help. I really think he wanted to show he could hold his own without Dre.

Also at the time possibly there could have been royalty issues with using Dre produced tracks. I highly doubt it as Suge was always quick to say Dre lefted with nothing but I really do think Snoop did not use the tracks to prove a point. He was on a couple radio shows pissed off at the time that Dre lefted the label.

Well what I've noticed is it seems that the reason Daz's 98' album Revenge Retaliation Get Back came out so hott, is because it he used alot of the old sounds from the Death Row's golden era of 92-96.   "O.G"s was obviously an old cut that has now ended up on Lost Sessions, and ofcourse "Initiated" had to be an old cut with Pac on it.  Probably a Pac origional Daz had.  I think all his cuts with Kurupt on the album were probably Dogg Food era tracks.

So I think Daz was the smart one for making use of older material as he grew further away from his prime (On Revenge Retaliation Get back).  Snoop was being stubborn at the time Doggfather was made.  Along with the reasons you gave I think after being found Not Giulty from his Murder Trial he had a new outlook on life, and no longer related to the older music he did in his prime.  So he came with that weak DJ Pooh shit.

Yeah but Daz's sound was evolving around that time as well. I say all the way up to his R.A.W. album almost every beat he was dropping was hot. Around that time he did the majority of Gang Related, a good portion of Doggfather and RR&GB. All quality production. I honestly feel like Snoop felt Dre owed him more at the time then to leave the way he did. And early in his career he was set on proving people wrong that he could do it on his own.

Maybe, but I kind of think that "Blueberry" is the only damn song on the Doggfather album that really had that signature Death Row sound from the golden era, and I'm thinking maybe that could of been an older cut as well.  Seems like Daz stayed truer to the sound and his roots, and obviously, because he was one of the last to leave Death Row.  But I agree, even when Raw came out he still had some bangers left, but who knows if he was dippin into his old stash of lyrics and sounds.

[ironmike]

Snoop was being stubborn at the time Doggfather was made.  Along with the reasons you gave I think after being found Not Giulty from his Murder Trial he had a new outlook on life, and no longer related to the older music he did in his prime.  So he came with that weak DJ Pooh shit.

dj pooh didnt come weak with the beats on tha doggfather. his beats were dope as fukk.
but i agree that tha doggfather was a very different sounding album to doggystyle, so it was hard for alot of people to into tha doggfather at first, and was mistaken by people that it was a weak album, and that snoop fell off, but it wasnt like that at all. just that snoop's sound evolved, and today it is hailed as a classic, and snoop's 2nd best album.

[OG Hack Wilson]

track 6 on Lost Sessions had no business remaining unreleased


same with the Genie track

[BiggBoogaBiff]

i remember hearing that Snoop took alotta the original tracks off Tha Doggfather bcuz he wasn't happy with DeathRow at the time.  He kept alot of those Doggfather sessions to himself.  There's probably a shit load of Doggfather reels but very few Doggystyle reels left.

[Okka]

So he came with that weak DJ Pooh shit.

Most of the beats that DJ Pooh made on "Tha Doggfather" are GREAT. Snoop Dogg should work with him more.