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Coaches overrated?
D-Nice:
--- Quote from: Chamillitary Click on December 01, 2009, 04:42:12 PM ---^i beg to differ, but you do raise a good point.
something had to have changed on the rosters or something though, no? maybe just experience with playing each other.
i know Phil in Portland isn't giving them a ring; maybe in 5 years, when they are all Super-Stars lol.
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Of course changes happened to the roster. Anytime you have new coaches that is bound to happen. But Phil Jackson is one of the greatest coaches of all time in getting players to buy into the idea of knowing and playing your role. Parcells has that quality, Pat Riley has that quality, Bellichek also. LA's roster changed as far as role players but players ultimately have to buy into the formula of coaching or it is not going to work.
Especially these days with the me first mentality of alot of players. As far as Portland is concerned, I don't know how long it would take Phil to get them to the Finals, but I bet they would be a much more disciplined, focused and improved team. And that also wins you games and championships.
Chamillitary Click:
--- Quote from: D~Nice on December 01, 2009, 04:53:14 PM ---
--- Quote from: Chamillitary Click on December 01, 2009, 04:42:12 PM ---^i beg to differ, but you do raise a good point.
something had to have changed on the rosters or something though, no? maybe just experience with playing each other.
i know Phil in Portland isn't giving them a ring; maybe in 5 years, when they are all Super-Stars lol.
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Of course changes happened to the roster. Anytime you have new coaches that is bound to happen. But Phil Jackson is one of the greatest coaches of all time in getting players to buy into the idea of knowing and playing your role. Parcells has that quality, Pat Riley has that quality, Bellichek also. LA's roster changed as far as role players but players ultimately have to buy into the formula of coaching or it is not going to work.
Especially these days with the me first mentality of alot of players. As far as Portland is concerned, I don't know how long it would take Phil to get them to the Finals, but I bet they would be a much more disciplined, focused and improved team. And that also wins you games and championships.
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alright, so Phil is exempt from the conversation. :P
but it applies to everybody else. :D
Shallow:
There is no such team as bad players in the NFL. If you make the NFL you're an amazing player, so the whole coaching bad players thing is bullshit. The difference is between good players and great players, and coaches can make the difference in Football. Josh McDaniels as far as I'm concerned is more responsible for the successes of both Orton and Cassel and nothing will change my mind on that. Some players are so special it doesn't matter who the coaches are, but if anyone think that the Giants beat the Pats with out Spagnuolo's tricks they're kidding themselves, and no one player on that defense is more important than the DC.
Chamillitary Click:
--- Quote from: Shallow on December 01, 2009, 04:56:02 PM ---There is no such team as bad players in the NFL. If you make the NFL you're an amazing player, so the whole coaching bad players thing is bullshit. The difference is between good players and great players, and coaches can make the difference in Football. Josh McDaniels as far as I'm concerned is more responsible for the successes of both Orton and Cassel and nothing will change my mind on that. Some players are so special it doesn't matter who the coaches are, but if anyone think that the Giants beat the Pats with out Spagnuolo's tricks they're kidding themselves, and no one player on that defense is more important than the DC.
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obviously better than you & me, but compared to the best players or even average players, they aren't on that level.
Romo, Austin & Witten are more talented than Sanchez, Braylon & Jericho & Wade Phillips has a reputation for being an awful coach, who is on the hot seat & Rex Ryan has was labeled a defensive genius lol.
but the Cowboys will remain the better team for the rest of the season.
Lunatic:
--- Quote from: Chamillitary Click on December 01, 2009, 04:30:13 PM ---pretty sure you're the one who said around the 0-4 mark, "this record doesn't reflect how we really are".
you lost some games that could of gone either way (Steelers, Jets & Houston) & then lost to the Pats & Colts.
you very well could of been 3-3 & nobody would of said anything.
the only difference was Vince Young & you seem to be high on your horse that he is the reason this teams gone in the other direction.
i'll give Fisher the change of QB, but honestly, any coach would of made the same change; not trying to take away from Jeff, but it was the obvious move.
regardless of this going somewhere else lol, the point is, Jeff Fisher is a great coach; but i don't think putting him in Buffalo would put that team over the hump without more talent.
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No, that was after 0-3. But the losses to the Jags, Colts & Pats were horrible. I think Young is a big reason the team has gone in the other direction and the offensive numbers clearly proves my point. I'm not even referring to the QB switch when I say Fisher is a great coach. I mean in general. Look at the list I provided of players that were either horrible before they came to us (Gage, Vanden Bosch, etc). or players that were great with us and left to do shit all (Brown, Kearse, Odom, etc.)
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