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100,000+ protesting in Copenhagen?
virtuoso:
--- Quote from: M Dogg on December 19, 2009, 03:32:30 PM ---
--- Quote from: virtuoso on December 19, 2009, 10:59:37 AM ---
Exactly, you have just illustrated the nihilistic loony tendencies of at least some of these environmentalists, they want us to abandon the core energy's we use now without having any alternatives to fall back on.
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*Slap hand on head moment*
No one wants to just abandon what we have now, well at least those with sanity. Check it, those that want to abandon what we have are the equivalent of those "Tea Baggers" that Keith Olbermann talks about who are racist and think Obama was born in Kenya, even though his mom was a straight white American. Most environmentalist are claiming change. You know in California, home to the most extreme environmentalist, when it was proposed to build new power plants that aren't yet using green energy, to replace the older power plants, they said yes because newer power plants are cleaner and it would be an improvement to what is going on now. You take extreme environmentalist, the ones that also don't eat meat and are afraid of animal fur, and you make them out to be all liberals. How is that possible. I know conservatives who are trying to be green now. It's not a matter shifting economics, it's a matter of doing what's right.
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I never mentioned liberals, i don't get into all of that bs, because they usually aren't what it says on the tin anyway lol. I am telling you what it's like in the UK, environmentalists cry about coal power stations, so instead they are saying okay the long term future will be many nuclear power stations and they cry about that to and as there is no magical cure, they illustrate my point.
M Dogg™:
--- Quote from: virtuoso on December 19, 2009, 04:28:08 PM ---
--- Quote from: M Dogg on December 19, 2009, 03:32:30 PM ---
--- Quote from: virtuoso on December 19, 2009, 10:59:37 AM ---
Exactly, you have just illustrated the nihilistic loony tendencies of at least some of these environmentalists, they want us to abandon the core energy's we use now without having any alternatives to fall back on.
--- End quote ---
*Slap hand on head moment*
No one wants to just abandon what we have now, well at least those with sanity. Check it, those that want to abandon what we have are the equivalent of those "Tea Baggers" that Keith Olbermann talks about who are racist and think Obama was born in Kenya, even though his mom was a straight white American. Most environmentalist are claiming change. You know in California, home to the most extreme environmentalist, when it was proposed to build new power plants that aren't yet using green energy, to replace the older power plants, they said yes because newer power plants are cleaner and it would be an improvement to what is going on now. You take extreme environmentalist, the ones that also don't eat meat and are afraid of animal fur, and you make them out to be all liberals. How is that possible. I know conservatives who are trying to be green now. It's not a matter shifting economics, it's a matter of doing what's right.
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I never mentioned liberals, i don't get into all of that bs, because they usually aren't what it says on the tin anyway lol. I am telling you what it's like in the UK, environmentalists cry about coal power stations, so instead they are saying okay the long term future will be many nuclear power stations and they cry about that to and as there is no magical cure, they illustrate my point.
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See, but here's the thing. Because one side pushes so hard, you push back even harder. You get into this, global warming doesn't exist, we're ruining economies bs. We need to worry about a limited supply of oil that we have, we need to make progress with everyday. Your realities in the UK are not the realities in the US. In a state ran by environmentalist, they encourage building new plants that run a fossil fuels because they are cleaner than the ones that exist. You know what that is, progress and making concessions. You think because things are one way, that there's a black and a white. Well the world ain't black and white, there's a whole lot of brown in it too... :bandit:
The Overfiend:
Word to that. Thats exactly it too: progress and making concessions.
This is not heaven its the World.
A lot of these nations are poor and can't and won't do shit for their people anyway. At least this way they would've got some money to develop alternative forms of energy.
But what may happen is that there will not be a heavy international treaty, maybe a watered down general treaty and then countries that want will make their own binding contracts.
This is the start of a lot of international comitology on carbon emissions.
Renewable energy means energy sovereignty for nations and the people
because you can't take away the wind, the sun and the tidal...unless we really fuck ourselves and the Earth's ecosystem up.
The Overfiend:
The fuck you two talking about? Of course CEE-OH-FUCKING 2 helps warm the globe. CO2 absorbs some of the heat radiation from the Earth's surface and reradiates it back downward, hence warming the surface.
CO2 is naturally created and is usually absorbed by plants that remove 30%, 25% by the oceans and 45% usually remains in the atmosphere. HOWEVER, given that we, humankind, came along there has been an increase in burning of fossil fuels so right now CO2 is released by us creatures into the atmosphere nearly twice as fast as it is naturally removed. Now four-fifths of CO2 comes from fossil fuels. FOUR-FIFTHS.
C02 levels have not been this high for at least 800,000 years. Even if the Earth heats naturally as a result of the Sun we have deforested the fuck out of the planet so the natural remedies the Earth had for maintaining the usual conditions we are used to are slipping away.
So obviously shit is a cause for concern. We are taking pre-cautions trying to get this thing moving, not to mention there a heap of other reasons like oil reason to illuminate us in our decision to shift-gears to renewable energy and infrastructure.
We handling the globe right now nah mean
virtuoso:
--- Quote from: Illuminati Clique on December 22, 2009, 09:06:41 AM ---The fuck you two talking about? Of course CEE-OH-FUCKING 2 helps warm the globe. CO2 absorbs some of the heat radiation from the Earth's surface and reradiates it back downward, hence warming the surface.
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Even this is not as simple as simply saying that it traps 45%, how much escapes back out of the earth again?
--- Quote from: Illuminati Clique on December 22, 2009, 09:06:41 AM ---CO2 is naturally created and is usually absorbed by plants that remove 30%, 25% by the oceans and 45% usually remains in the atmosphere. HOWEVER, given that we, humankind, came along there has been an increase in burning of fossil fuels so right now CO2 is released by us creatures into the atmosphere nearly twice as fast as it is naturally removed. Now four-fifths of CO2 comes from fossil fuels. FOUR-FIFTHS.
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Four fifths of carbon dioxide can not come from fossil fuels or 2 things would have happened, firstly scientists pushing global warming would state 2 things, firstly that humans are directly responsible for 80% of the worlds C02, which they don't and secondly why would they say we are mostly attributable in the last 20 years, why in the last 20 years? i.e. why the concentration on the last 20 years if indeed what you just stated is true
--- Quote from: Illuminati Clique on December 22, 2009, 09:06:41 AM ---C02 levels have not been this high for at least 800,000 years. Even if the Earth heats naturally as a result of the Sun we have deforested the fuck out of the planet so the natural remedies the Earth had for maintaining the usual conditions we are used to are slipping away.
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Well lets assume that's true, we know from climate studies that vineyards were being grown in Northen England during the roman reign, we also know that Italy San Remo has experienced much hotter temperatures in the last 300 years than it is now. So with those 2 facts, we can state that there can not be a correlation between carbon dioxide and temperature. Since now, we are talking about lesser temperatures in those places and yet more carbon dioxide. The other problem is we know that The East Anglian institute has been lying, so how can we possibly trust that the above statement is true?
--- Quote from: Illuminati Clique on December 22, 2009, 09:06:41 AM ---So obviously shit is a cause for concern. We are taking pre-cautions trying to get this thing moving, not to mention there a heap of other reasons like oil reason to illuminate us in our decision to shift-gears to renewable energy and infrastructure.
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Regulating carbon dioxide is just going to further empower the rich corporations and the rich and fuck up everyone else and as for the money being given to the third world, how much do you think such a bureaucracy will cost to run? they will swallow up most of this, some of it will go to the despotic dictators, business as usual
We handling the globe right now nah mean
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