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British Admit: Copenhagen Is All About Genocide
The Overfiend:
There are hopes and fears with anything government institutions do but you are naive of humanity if you think thats what Copenhagen is 'all about'.
I appreciate all the post-modern oligarch nightmare scenarios being put forward on here and the wider inter-webs, but having less people won't solve the problem of energy consumption. The real issue is how we get and use our energy.
--- Quote from: MediumL on December 18, 2009, 03:05:11 PM ---Tbh the developed world is so wasteful its probably more down to using whats necessary and being more efficient than mass genocide.
--- End quote ---
Exactly.
virtuoso:
Hence the reasons why i said I miswrote and misread to, I was responding on here while at work, not easy to do
The Overfiend:
Copenhagen is in a long line of things that government has tried to do.
The reality often then not is that nothing gets done....
...and everybody has an opinion on it. But the science is solid on what CO2 does. All that 'climate-gate' bullshit was insignificant. Carbon emissions help cause the atmosphere to heat people! Get it together...
Now whether that can be used to excuse genocide is another story, the fact of the matter is, is that it simply isn't a national problem, it is the entire worlds problem.
The shall be more climate conferences to come.
The word today is: comitology.
virtuoso:
--- Quote from: Illuminati Clique on December 19, 2009, 08:30:36 AM ---Copenhagen is in a long line of things that government has tried to do.
The reality often then not is that nothing gets done....
...and everybody has an opinion on it. But the science is solid on what CO2 does. All that 'climate-gate' bullshit was insignificant. Carbon emissions help cause the atmosphere to heat people! Get it together...
Now whether that can be used to excuse genocide is another story, the fact of the matter is, is that it simply isn't a national problem, it is the entire worlds problem.
The shall be more climate conferences to come.
The word today is: comitology.
--- End quote ---
Dude how the science be well established when the east anglian insitute is pivotal to the underpinning data for which we now don't have because they have deleted or "lost" the raw data".
Read the emails for yourself instead of relying on soundbites about them, here is another example one the media hasn't been playing a lot
From: Michael Mann <mann@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
To: Phil Jones <p.jones@xxxxxxxxx.xxx>
Subject: Re: IPCC & FOI
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 08:12:02 -0400
Reply-to: mann@xxxxxxxxx.xxx
<x-flowed>
Hi Phil,
laughable that CA would claim to have discovered the problem. They would
have run off to the Wall Street Journal for an exclusive were that to
have been true.
I'll contact Gene about this ASAP. His new email is: generwahl@xxxxxxxxx.xxx
talk to you later,
mike
Phil Jones wrote:
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>> Mike,
> Can you delete any emails you may have had with Keith re AR4?
> Keith will do likewise. He's not in at the moment - minor family crisis.
>
> Can you also email Gene and get him to do the same? I don't
> have his new email address.
>
> We will be getting Caspar to do likewise.
>
> I see that CA claim they discovered the 1945 problem in the Nature
> paper!!
>
> Cheers
> Phil
>
>
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>>
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> Prof. Phil Jones
> Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090
> School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784
> University of East Anglia
> Norwich Email p.jones@xxxxxxxxx.xxx
> NR4 7TJ
> UK
Westcoastin':
I havent looked into much of this climategate stuff, from my understanding a few scientists fudged some numbers.. probably to advance their own careers and got caught doing it, it doesnt take away from the countless hours of research that thousands of qualified scientists have done. I've seen first-hand the coral bleaching, without a doubt the atmosphere's temperature is rising.. I admit that the planet naturally goes through periods of heating and cooling, but the rate at which its happening now is unprecedented in known-history.. if reducing carbon emissions can slow the process... then we should be all for it, regardless if its the main cause or not.
--- Quote from: Illuminati Clique on December 18, 2009, 05:38:15 PM ---There are hopes and fears with anything government institutions do but you are naive of humanity if you think thats what Copenhagen is 'all about'.
I appreciate all the post-modern oligarch nightmare scenarios being put forward on here and the wider inter-webs, but having less people won't solve the problem of energy consumption. The real issue is how we get and use our energy.
--- Quote from: MediumL on December 18, 2009, 03:05:11 PM ---Tbh the developed world is so wasteful its probably more down to using whats necessary and being more efficient than mass genocide.
--- End quote ---
Exactly.
--- End quote ---
Agreed, but only up to a certain point. Even if we maximize the efficiency of farming etc the population is doubling every 40 years... eventually it wont matter how efficient we are.
Technology will likely continue to advance until pretty much the end of human existence. Eventually we should be able to convert energy with 100% efficiency (Zero Point Energy/Perpetual Motion). E=MC^2. We'll be able to convert matter into pure energy and vice versa. When this happens, our options are pretty much infinite.. we'll be able to make food out of thin air.. and potentially terra-form new planets. Probably allowing our species to reproduce and expand indefinetly. I just have no idea how long it'l take for our tech to advance that far..
The problem right now is providing food for 7 billion people, and the population is doubling roughly every 40 years. No amount of nuclear power can provide the nutrients required to feed the population we have.. or are going to have in the next century. We'd have to cover the Earth in green houses
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