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Keith Olbermann goes hard at Obama
jeromechickenbone:
--- Quote from: Russell Bell on December 17, 2009, 01:08:55 PM ---Olbermann talking bipartisanship is like Hitler talking about the value of Jewish life.
He's the left wing equivalent of Glenn Beck.
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I wouldn't go that far, although I agree with the general sentiment that Olbermann is a media shill, having put in work with disney/abc/espn/cnn.
Mdogg you must stop watching this stuff, they're shoveling mostly shit and you eat it up like it's a damn double double from in-n-out.
M Dogg™:
--- Quote from: 50 Gold 60 Platinum on December 18, 2009, 07:53:40 PM ---
--- Quote from: Russell Bell on December 17, 2009, 01:08:55 PM ---Olbermann talking bipartisanship is like Hitler talking about the value of Jewish life.
He's the left wing equivalent of Glenn Beck.
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I wouldn't go that far, although I agree with the general sentiment that Olbermann is a media shill, having put in work with disney/abc/espn/cnn.
Mdogg you must stop watching this stuff, they're shoveling mostly shit and you eat it up like it's a damn double double from in-n-out.
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WTF... I need to stop watching Olbermann. First off, I was for Universal Health Care WAY before Olbermann had a show on MSNBC, or before liberals were cool. I showed this because everyone is like, the media is pro-Obama, they are trying to sell you on this Illuminati agenda, Olbermann is taking talking points from Obama. This shows that this is false. We lefties are not in lock step with the president, we are not on lock step with the media, we just want real health care reform. Straight up, what is so hard for you to understand. Ideally, Medicare would be for all. People could buy into Medicare, ideally we'd have a public option for small businesses so that they can provide their employees health care without breaking their bank, ideally we would have government run hospitals that are cheaper and everyone can go to and ideally the private sector would stay to drive the market. What's wrong with that?
You complain about Canada's NHS, and you might have a point but here's the issue, Canada's, and everyone else with public health care's biggest problem is that they outlaw private insurance. You can't do that, people with money want to be insured they'll have the best health care. Also, if we have a public health care system, we can FINALLY take our money out of private insurance for subsidizes that go to over paying for health care, we can take our money out of private hospitals that get subsidizes for over charging for health care, we can take our money out of pharmacy, which we subsidized to make drugs cheaper. We can have a program to research our own drugs, we can build our own hospitals instead of subsidizing over charging hospitals, pay doctors directly, and offer insurance to all at rates we dictate. We let medicine go out of control the last 10 years, as medical cost have gone up 300%. We need to take back our health. More bankruptcies in the US were from health cost, and that helped trigger the housing crisis. You guys talk nonsense because you want this to just slightly change, but our system is broken. 45,000 people die a year from no health insurance, think of it. 45,000 people, in 2002 it was 18,000. You talk about a system that drains money, well I'll talk your talk.
THE UNITED STATES SPEND MORE MONEY PER PERSON ON HEALTH CARE THAN ANY OTHER NATION!.
* "The U. S. health system spends a higher portion of its gross domestic product than any other country but ranks 37 out of 191 countries according to its performance, the report finds." "World Health Organization Assesses The World's Health Systems," Press Release, WHO/44, June 21, 2000. That was in 2000, we spend 3 times that now. It is more cost effective to go with a system like Canada's, it's not perfect but then again your NHS is not 1/6 of the economy. We are the least cost effective system in the world. You want to talk about Illuminati leaders, we have people who make BILLIONS of peoples deaths. That's wrong, people die and others get billions, that is the definition of Illuminati. Straight up, why is it your systems are failing, because of lack of funds. The system themselves are fine, but funding is getting in the way. In the US< we fund our health care like no one else business. We have the best health care in the world, but only if you are rich. Those with money get, those without are shit out of luck. As I said, keep the private insurance, let it be, you are mad at public health care, take your money to Kaiser and let them treat you. But lets get our moneys worth.
TraceOneInfinite:
--- Quote from: Shallow on December 17, 2009, 08:29:20 AM ---Do these American idiots actually want something that even resembles the Canadian model? Because it would collapse in the US, and maybe collapse the US. Keep an eyer out in Canada please and see how we slowly pay more and coverage slowly becomes less, and we slowly increase debt because of it. It's a horrible model that will self destruct soon. The US needs to change their system, but more government is not the answer.
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Co-sign +1
TraceOneInfinite:
--- Quote from: Russell Bell on December 17, 2009, 01:08:55 PM ---Olbermann talking bipartisanship is like Hitler talking about the value of Jewish life.
He's the left wing equivalent of Glenn Beck.
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Co-sign +1. By the way, Olberman is a Jew, just FYI
TraceOneInfinite:
--- Quote from: M Dogg on December 17, 2009, 06:34:48 PM ---
--- Quote from: Shallow on December 17, 2009, 08:29:20 AM ---Do these American idiots actually want something that even resembles the Canadian model? Because it would collapse in the US, and maybe collapse the US. Keep an eyer out in Canada please and see how we slowly pay more and coverage slowly becomes less, and we slowly increase debt because of it. It's a horrible model that will self destruct soon. The US needs to change their system, but more government is not the answer.
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Then what is, because right now with less government, that's not the answer either.
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Uhhh.. MDogg.. haven't you heard of Medicare, Medicaid and the FDA? The US government is already submerged in health care, and has been for around 50 years, and it's been fucked up ever since.
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