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Olbermann talking bipartisanship is like Hitler talking about the value of Jewish life. He's the left wing equivalent of Glenn Beck.
Quote from: Russell Bell on December 17, 2009, 01:08:55 PMOlbermann talking bipartisanship is like Hitler talking about the value of Jewish life. He's the left wing equivalent of Glenn Beck. I wouldn't go that far, although I agree with the general sentiment that Olbermann is a media shill, having put in work with disney/abc/espn/cnn. Mdogg you must stop watching this stuff, they're shoveling mostly shit and you eat it up like it's a damn double double from in-n-out.
Do these American idiots actually want something that even resembles the Canadian model? Because it would collapse in the US, and maybe collapse the US. Keep an eyer out in Canada please and see how we slowly pay more and coverage slowly becomes less, and we slowly increase debt because of it. It's a horrible model that will self destruct soon. The US needs to change their system, but more government is not the answer.
Quote from: Shallow on December 17, 2009, 08:29:20 AMDo these American idiots actually want something that even resembles the Canadian model? Because it would collapse in the US, and maybe collapse the US. Keep an eyer out in Canada please and see how we slowly pay more and coverage slowly becomes less, and we slowly increase debt because of it. It's a horrible model that will self destruct soon. The US needs to change their system, but more government is not the answer.Then what is, because right now with less government, that's not the answer either.
In the industrial world, we have the worst health system. We are just above Cuba, and if you have no money in our country you are shit out of luck. The free market has no business in certain areas and peoples lives is one of them. In Canada, there is an issue with their health care, but at the same time you have a better health care than we do. You look at it like this. We are tied to jobs because we need health care, we have an issue because people that have ideas are tied to their jobs. If you have an idea for a small business, and you want to invest your money in this, you can't. You are tied to a job just so you can have health care, and leaving your job means you and your family are not protected. This system does not foster creativity and allow people to venture out and grow, what this system creates is conservative minded people afraid to invest in themselves and stay at their jobs. Are countries creativity comes from 20 somethings that are not afraid of their health, and they are not afraid of risk, but it cripples are older population that may have had a great idea but can't risk leaving their job. That's how our system, in case you wanted it in free market terms.
In my opinion the government handing out so-called free health care to the masses is a great idea. But thats in theory. I just do not have faith in this government, or any for that matter, to run it correctly. When you have government run industry mixed with the need to serve mass amounts of people you get legal red tape everywhere. Look at the school system, hell, look at the DMV. Why does it take 3 hours to get a new pic for a license? Better question: how long would it take if the government didnt run that place? Not three hours.
Word, the other thing is governments want to run every facet of the health system (like in the UK) therefore constantly dictating to the doctors what is and isn't acceptable, constantly being judged on "efficiency". The government actually degrades the quality of the health care by setting target after target, which aren't actually improving, instead it forces the hospitals to meet them to the detriment of care.
Quote from: M Dogg on December 17, 2009, 06:34:48 PMQuote from: Shallow on December 17, 2009, 08:29:20 AMDo these American idiots actually want something that even resembles the Canadian model? Because it would collapse in the US, and maybe collapse the US. Keep an eyer out in Canada please and see how we slowly pay more and coverage slowly becomes less, and we slowly increase debt because of it. It's a horrible model that will self destruct soon. The US needs to change their system, but more government is not the answer.Then what is, because right now with less government, that's not the answer either.Uhhh.. MDogg.. haven't you heard of Medicare, Medicaid and the FDA? The US government is already submerged in health care, and has been for around 50 years, and it's been fucked up ever since.
Government was in charge of the space mission, we got to the moon just fine, government is in charge of the military, we do a good job of getting shit that goes boom, government has brought us fire fighters, they seem to respond on time, government produces the mail system, which delivers mail on time, government fought a couple of World Wars, we seem to have won those.