Question about 2Pac's Death

[COMPTONRIDA1]

So I guess some South Side Crip was just going to let a beatdown slide then?  Unlikely.

Let's be honest.  With all of the terrorists (even in 1996), drug dealers, gang leaders, etc. that the government had (and still has) to worry about, do you think they'd worry enough about a RAPPER (who has never killed anyone and even admitted to having been a failed drug dealer in his younger years) to they point where they'd kill him?  Nope.

ok ..jus my opinion...they killed king..he was harmless to.. but his words of wisdom was powerful..And im sure baby lane had to stand down on that one..jus cuz he bang dont mean he dumb..he knew if he woulda blasted on pac that night and in front of hundreds of people would be a dumb mistake..dats why he was never convicted....

[DeeezNuuuts83]

So I guess some South Side Crip was just going to let a beatdown slide then?  Unlikely.

Let's be honest.  With all of the terrorists (even in 1996), drug dealers, gang leaders, etc. that the government had (and still has) to worry about, do you think they'd worry enough about a RAPPER (who has never killed anyone and even admitted to having been a failed drug dealer in his younger years) to they point where they'd kill him?  Nope.

ok ..jus my opinion...they killed king..he was harmless to.. but his words of wisdom was powerful..And im sure baby lane had to stand down on that one..jus cuz he bang dont mean he dumb..he knew if he woulda blasted on pac that night and in front of hundreds of people would be a dumb mistake..dats why he was never convicted....

Comparing the person who was essentially at the forefront of the activist movement at the time to a rapper who got shot up in 1994 by the people who he supposedly represented and lead is a poor analogy of their non-violent influence on a rising minority culture in America.

About your thoughts on Baby Lane, you are stating inaccuracies.  First of all, Pac wasn't shot in front of "hundreds of people."  Most of the people who would've had a decent view were part of the Death Row posse, many of whom were gang affiliates themselves.  Do you think they would speak on the situation to the police to help lead to the arrest of someone?  Unlikely.  He was never convicted because the Las Vegas Police Department chose not to pursue the investigation too strongly because they didn't want to associate the negativity of such a shooting with the city to the point where it takes away from it as a family tourist attraction.  Despite all of the glamor and glitz associated with the city, a lot of people actually do travel there with their families.  Those people, along with the weekend visitors who want to blow their money on gambling and hookers, typically would rather not be in an area where people get murdered, especially celebrities like that out in the open.

Several investigators affiliated with the California-based law enforcement agencies involved have been interviewed since then, pointing out that much of their evidence supported their own opinions and informants' claims that Orlando Anderson was indeed the triggerman.  The information was passed along to Las Vegas PD, but like I said, they didn't want to deal with the negativity so they tried to sweep it under the rug and leave it alone, more or less.

[Blasphemy]

Compton Police found Evidence it was Orlando, and 2pac's Death Sparked Gang Violence involving Orlando's Set/crew. In the end how ever, they couldn't gather enough evidence to prosecute. That's really a common thing. Majority of Gang Violence can't be solved cause of the Lack of Evidence and people refusing to talk.  Besides....why is this even being debated???


The Suge Knight Theory was made up by the media, and was only given steam via Pissed off former Label Mates who all hated Suge. There has clearly been no Evidence supporting the Theory. The Documentarys talking about it trying to make it Appear are all built off bullshit and lack any Credibility. Pac's Bodyguard Moore, Clearly contradicts himself in the 2pac Assassination DVD compared to his First Cash In "Before I wake". The various interviews with The Outlawz are all cut up to make them Say stuff. If you watch the full uncut video from these interviews, even they don't think Suge Killed tupac. Tupac was never leaving death Row, Makaveli was going to be Through Death Row (Like Shady/Aftermath) and 2pac was to be involved in Death Row East.


We've been over this so many times. Who gives a shit. The 3 main Suspects are either Dead or have become broke and lost all there wealth. People will believe what ever the Media want's them to. Some try and make pac this Great God of a man who the Goverment had to take out. Other's make him a Prophet because he talked about getting shot and dying (Even though this was Clearly because of his original shooting). Some want to make him a Gangster, Others a Martyer, and some want to put him Above other Rappers by saying "see this is what pac is good cause he didn't make no faggot gangsta shit" when it comes to songs like "Brenda's Got a baby" and "Keep Ya Head up" so they have seemed to forgotten "All Eyez" and the various Unreleased tracks which devulge into Gangsterism.


Face it, Anything of 2pac's Legacy has been raped either by other rappers, media, his own friends, and even his own Mother.They cut interviews to make him say shit about Death Row that he hasn't ever said. They cut tracks to change song meanings, The Media has tried and make his Death To seem "east vs West" Related, when in fact his Death had nothing to do with any Beef within rap and was Clearly just a Act of Personal Revenge.

Then you got jerkoffs who use the "alive" bullshit theory to make money off him. In the end, nothing will be accomplished with his Murder Case, and his Legacy and his acts will be embellished, and destroy any meaning they had before.

[COMPTONRIDA1]

Compton police aint found shit.. dats all media bullshit..Compton police investigators were so bullshit.. they couldnt figure out a murder across the street from the police station but they solved that one huh...lmao...believe what you want...

[The Flying Dutchman]

ok ..jus my opinion...they killed king..he was harmless to.. but his words of wisdom was powerful..And im sure baby lane had to stand down on that one..jus cuz he bang dont mean he dumb..he knew if he woulda blasted on pac that night and in front of hundreds of people would be a dumb mistake..dats why he was never convicted....

Ok so you really think the government took pac out?? Whats your take on the whole gang war following pacs death, if baby lane had nothing to do with it? And why did Suge get the hit out on Big? (I think its common knowledge Suge WAS responsible for that??)

[COMPTONRIDA1]

SIMPLE COVER UP.. GANG WAR..LOL IF THAT WHAT YOU WANNA CALL IT..Yall are all outsiders lookin in..I live in Compton and im sure i would know..The police always start gang wars.. They probally got into war behind the beat down...In Compton..But not in Vegas...BabyLane was no dummy homie..he would have never started shooting on LV BLVD like that..knowing he would get caught..it was a pure hit...No cameras seen anything..why was that?

[DeeezNuuuts83]

SIMPLE COVER UP.. GANG WAR..LOL IF THAT WHAT YOU WANNA CALL IT..Yall are all outsiders lookin in..I live in Compton and im sure i would know..The police always start gang wars..

Keep believing that, though you have no basis for that statement.  I suppose the Mob beefs with Santana Blocc because police started shit between them... riiiight.

They probally got into war behind the beat down...

That contradicts what you said before that.  First you say that the police always start gang wars, now you say that the war following Pac's shooting was because of a beat-down.  Make up your mind.

BabyLane was no dummy homie..he would have never started shooting on LV BLVD like that..knowing he would get caught..it was a pure hit...No cameras seen anything..why was that?

Simple.  Any cameras (other than red-light cameras) at any street intersection aren't for solving crimes, they are for safety purposes so the city can monitor any traffic incidents, specifically collisions.  Plus the shooting was not on Las Vegas Blvd on the strip, it was at the intersection of Flamingo and Koval, which is off to the side and not really subject to a lot of traffic.  Here are some pictures that I've taken within the past year when I was last in Vegas... note the arrows pointing at the cameras:





Chances are, the footage that these cameras capture isn't in great quality (as, like I said before, its intention is to help city officials monitor any accidents or something like that to dispatch ambulances or police to help redirect any traffic to prevent traffic congestion).  Who knows, maybe 13 years ago, the STREET cameras (on side streets, not Las Vegas Blvd. like you thought) might not even have been there.

[es-jay]

were speed cameras that common in 1996?

[Blasphemy]

were speed cameras that common in 1996?

no, wasn't until later.

[COMPTONRIDA1]

wow...like i said nigga..thats my opinion..i aint bout to argue you down about some bullshit..you proved your point with your facts.. but that aint gonna changed how i feel about the matter..So thanks for the camera info....

[U.N.T.O.U.C.H.A.B.L.E.]

what he mean is HE hasn't seen him since that night. Seriously why would anyone want to follow suges Friends??? He didn't do anything important at Death Row, Suge Knight went to jail and that automatically took him off the radar. When The Second Dynasty was selected everyone was pissed off at Tha Realest and Top Dogg, While Artist like Slim Shady, Dr. Dre's Second album was just dropping and dominating the charts.Suge on the other hand was just rereleasing old songs via Compilations, and facing legal battles and going to jail. Death Row eventually just went bellied up via Chapter 11 and couldn't restart its self.


Besides, Lots of stuff was happening in Hip-Hop at the time. Only thing we gave a shit about death row at the time was Crooked I, Petey Pablo, Kurupt signing back.  The last thing anyone could give a shit about his Suges Friends who have no impact with what the label was doing.


If he finds a Legit source I'd be amazed, but it sounds like just another "Suge Killed pac" bullshit Theory that is based off nothing but false media lies, and crappy pissed off former label signees.

i have a source for this, lemme look for it and when i do find it i will post it no doubt...its a video by the way

cool I'll keep an eye on this thread.

i been looking for this video but i can't seem to find it, but here's a quik rundown on it...mtv news had a report about the compton shootings after pac's murder & they had a 29 page report on that, at the end of that segment they mentioned that travon lane hasn't been seen since the night he was at 662 bragging about the murder...ill keep looking for that vhs tape  

[krzieg]

what he mean is HE hasn't seen him since that night. Seriously why would anyone want to follow suges Friends??? He didn't do anything important at Death Row, Suge Knight went to jail and that automatically took him off the radar. When The Second Dynasty was selected everyone was pissed off at Tha Realest and Top Dogg, While Artist like Slim Shady, Dr. Dre's Second album was just dropping and dominating the charts.Suge on the other hand was just rereleasing old songs via Compilations, and facing legal battles and going to jail. Death Row eventually just went bellied up via Chapter 11 and couldn't restart its self.


Besides, Lots of stuff was happening in Hip-Hop at the time. Only thing we gave a shit about death row at the time was Crooked I, Petey Pablo, Kurupt signing back.  The last thing anyone could give a shit about his Suges Friends who have no impact with what the label was doing.


If he finds a Legit source I'd be amazed, but it sounds like just another "Suge Killed pac" bullshit Theory that is based off nothing but false media lies, and crappy pissed off former label signees.

i have a source for this, lemme look for it and when i do find it i will post it no doubt...its a video by the way

cool I'll keep an eye on this thread.

i been looking for this video but i can't seem to find it, but here's a quik rundown on it...mtv news had a report about the compton shootings after pac's murder & they had a 29 page report on that, at the end of that segment they mentioned that travon lane hasn't been seen since the night he was at 662 bragging about the murder...ill keep looking for that vhs tape  

cool i hope u do. i still check on this thread here n there


peace

[you gon always be my latin queen bitch]

not that snitchin is good.......but anyone from that night hasnt come forward to snitch and try and give some evidence to them as to who did what?
maybe to get money for the info they was givin

[xover]

not that snitchin is good.......but anyone from that night hasnt come forward to snitch and try and give some evidence to them as to who did what?
maybe to get money for the info they was givin

i think afewpeople who know who did it have told the police....as it was so well known..... even spider spoke about it in his old forums..

[One2free]

I thought I post this shit here, no need to open a new thread:

http://www.sojones.com/news/1664-has-the-mystery-of-who-killed-tupac-and-biggie-finally-come-to-light/

Is dat news^^ a fake or a joke or something ?