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i dont know how well ur brain works, but try to read my quote one last time..okay, here we go..bottomline:when u are defining mc's worthy of the goat-titles in hiphop - one of the stripes a rapper has to have on his belt - is flow, lyrical wordplay, mic-capabilities etc etc - there are 4 elements to hiphop - the "master of the crowd"-subject bein one of the more important ones, dat ppl should keep in mind when ranking artistsu got it?okay, good..is flow, lyrical wordplay, mic-capabilities etc etc that's 3 words really - one, two and three (PLUS- there's an "etc" there too. why would i write "etc" if was talkin about only 3 subjects, hm?)now, check this out..there are 4 elements to hiphopwhy would i write 4 elements, and mention 3 previously in the same post.i was talkin about 1 element (the mc-aspect) and i was dividing it to 3 words to describe thoroughly what i thought 2pac was lackin as a stripeto be honest wit u, my impession is dat normaly someone would understand these writings - but if u dont understand, it's cool.. and don't preach to me about hiphop, cus i will mindrape u like Yoda, if ur willing to discuss history. i got a few Red Bulls wit me.. i can keep goin for a few hours. its all good
Quote from: QuietTruth on January 28, 2010, 09:20:58 AMQuote from: Fraxxx on January 28, 2010, 07:07:58 AMQuote from: fabtoxicp on January 28, 2010, 01:22:27 AMthe correct impression ppl should have of him, is dat he was a great poet and artist, more than a great rapper absolutely, pac deserves the halloffame-mention, but he sure as hell isn't goin down as the best fuckin rapperThat's what's up! Greatest Hip Hop artist/poet any day. Legitimate opinion! Greatest MC? How?You listen to Pac, get the fuckkkkkk outta here? You nigga? YOU? Oh really? Stop playin' nigga, stop playin'.What's your favorite joint? Only God Can Judge Me? Worddddd nigga, worddd? Ha ha. I know that's what it is.lo You a fool! Of course it's Lord Knows!
Quote from: Fraxxx on January 28, 2010, 07:07:58 AMQuote from: fabtoxicp on January 28, 2010, 01:22:27 AMthe correct impression ppl should have of him, is dat he was a great poet and artist, more than a great rapper absolutely, pac deserves the halloffame-mention, but he sure as hell isn't goin down as the best fuckin rapperThat's what's up! Greatest Hip Hop artist/poet any day. Legitimate opinion! Greatest MC? How?You listen to Pac, get the fuckkkkkk outta here? You nigga? YOU? Oh really? Stop playin' nigga, stop playin'.What's your favorite joint? Only God Can Judge Me? Worddddd nigga, worddd? Ha ha. I know that's what it is.
Quote from: fabtoxicp on January 28, 2010, 01:22:27 AMthe correct impression ppl should have of him, is dat he was a great poet and artist, more than a great rapper absolutely, pac deserves the halloffame-mention, but he sure as hell isn't goin down as the best fuckin rapperThat's what's up! Greatest Hip Hop artist/poet any day. Legitimate opinion! Greatest MC? How?
the correct impression ppl should have of him, is dat he was a great poet and artist, more than a great rapper absolutely, pac deserves the halloffame-mention, but he sure as hell isn't goin down as the best fuckin rapper
Quote from: Fraxxx on January 28, 2010, 03:34:03 PMQuote from: QuietTruth on January 28, 2010, 09:20:58 AMQuote from: Fraxxx on January 28, 2010, 07:07:58 AMQuote from: fabtoxicp on January 28, 2010, 01:22:27 AMthe correct impression ppl should have of him, is dat he was a great poet and artist, more than a great rapper absolutely, pac deserves the halloffame-mention, but he sure as hell isn't goin down as the best fuckin rapperThat's what's up! Greatest Hip Hop artist/poet any day. Legitimate opinion! Greatest MC? How?You listen to Pac, get the fuckkkkkk outta here? You nigga? YOU? Oh really? Stop playin' nigga, stop playin'.What's your favorite joint? Only God Can Judge Me? Worddddd nigga, worddd? Ha ha. I know that's what it is.lo You a fool! Of course it's Lord Knows! Ahhhh yeah. Why not Life Goes On though? That seems best fit for you. I can see ya ass rappin' along to that. I was expecting you really to say Heaven Ain't Hard 2 Find.Good for you Fraxxx!!
Quote from: QuietTruth on January 28, 2010, 04:40:21 PMQuote from: Fraxxx on January 28, 2010, 03:34:03 PMQuote from: QuietTruth on January 28, 2010, 09:20:58 AMQuote from: Fraxxx on January 28, 2010, 07:07:58 AMQuote from: fabtoxicp on January 28, 2010, 01:22:27 AMthe correct impression ppl should have of him, is dat he was a great poet and artist, more than a great rapper absolutely, pac deserves the halloffame-mention, but he sure as hell isn't goin down as the best fuckin rapperThat's what's up! Greatest Hip Hop artist/poet any day. Legitimate opinion! Greatest MC? How?You listen to Pac, get the fuckkkkkk outta here? You nigga? YOU? Oh really? Stop playin' nigga, stop playin'.What's your favorite joint? Only God Can Judge Me? Worddddd nigga, worddd? Ha ha. I know that's what it is.lo You a fool! Of course it's Lord Knows! Ahhhh yeah. Why not Life Goes On though? That seems best fit for you. I can see ya ass rappin' along to that. I was expecting you really to say Heaven Ain't Hard 2 Find.Good for you Fraxxx!! Damn, I really gotta find some agnostic rappers... shit! Guess I gotta stop listening to rap!
there, there now mister preacher..im fully aware of the correct 4 elements of hiphop - flow, lyrical wordplay, mic-capabilities - dat was one element, with 4 different words for it u misunderstoodi was born in the middle 80's, and my age isn't relevantand if u don't provide anythin constructive to this thread besides igna'nt blahzay-blahzay, i will most def eat u up within seconds.. No wonder you think Pac is just average like i said, i never called pac "average" just "overrated" -
rakim himself has said pac is the greatest ever so you do the math....lol, where'd u get dat from? bullshithe said dat he felt CANIBUS (for christ sake) was the most ultimate rapper to him - in an old interview in Vibe Magazine
I think the earlier Michael Jordan analogy was a superior point..MJ obviously wasn't the best in every aspect of the game but he is still the GOAT, no debate would be accepted.It's like the Pound for Pound rankings in Boxing..Muhammad Ali is the GOAT and he's been KO'd before.. that would be equivalent to lacking Mic skills as a Hip-Hop Artist.Ali is the GOAT but we also have Mike Tysons and Floyd Mayweathers who are also the greats of our generation.you mentioned Ja and Dmx as the imitators but u seemed to only have noted the forerunners..also whether or not the imitators were significant to the masses is as irrelevant as my point about Pac's lyrical growth if he was alive, right?did u forget No Limit Records and a slew of other 'significant' rappers Pac also (influenced)? lol..
so the fact dat 2pac gave a good show, makes him the GOAT? i asked for a debate, where is it?.. bring up real proof to back up what ur sayin.. there isn't anythin called "just the way it is" - every opinion is individual - but there seems to also be a general opinion on 2pac the artist - dat he was "the goat", which i (like many else) feel is overrated.. 2pac was a complete artist, yes - in many ways, very much so - but he lacked the skills of an mc (generally speakin) - which DEFINITELY is the most important-factor dat u should have in mind, when rankin ppl wit "the goat"-title. how can he be the fuckin "goat" if he can't rap? should the other things he accomplished outweigh him for dat, and give him a "free-pass"? NO, dat's bullshit! he could put on a good show like u say, right?plus - intriguing and captivating charisma/voiceplus - occasionaly great content-matterplus - a bunch of other thingsBUT HE WASN't A GOOD MC/RAPPER period, the most important thing - how can he then be the "goat".?pac was the best "artist", BUT he wan't the best rapper - therefore, i cant se him bein the goatthe nigga could'nt even offthedome-freestyle for christ sake, and im bettin u 10 stacks dat the nigga would've been slaughtered in a battle-cypher by every other nigga from Tha Row (xcept mayb Daz)I AM NOT bashin ur hero, im a big fan just like u - but i feel like he is overrated, and im stickin to it - which a million other niggas feel as wellno need to be immature about it, and sream "what are u talkin about! hahaha woot-woot"come on, now..
Quote from: fabtoxicp on January 28, 2010, 07:27:02 AMso the fact dat 2pac gave a good show, makes him the GOAT? i asked for a debate, where is it?.. bring up real proof to back up what ur sayin.. there isn't anythin called "just the way it is" - every opinion is individual - but there seems to also be a general opinion on 2pac the artist - dat he was "the goat", which i (like many else) feel is overrated.. 2pac was a complete artist, yes - in many ways, very much so - but he lacked the skills of an mc (generally speakin) - which DEFINITELY is the most important-factor dat u should have in mind, when rankin ppl wit "the goat"-title. how can he be the fuckin "goat" if he can't rap? should the other things he accomplished outweigh him for dat, and give him a "free-pass"? NO, dat's bullshit! he could put on a good show like u say, right?plus - intriguing and captivating charisma/voiceplus - occasionaly great content-matterplus - a bunch of other thingsBUT HE WASN't A GOOD MC/RAPPER period, the most important thing - how can he then be the "goat".?pac was the best "artist", BUT he wan't the best rapper - therefore, i cant se him bein the goatthe nigga could'nt even offthedome-freestyle for christ sake, and im bettin u 10 stacks dat the nigga would've been slaughtered in a battle-cypher by every other nigga from Tha Row (xcept mayb Daz)I AM NOT bashin ur hero, im a big fan just like u - but i feel like he is overrated, and im stickin to it - which a million other niggas feel as wellno need to be immature about it, and sream "what are u talkin about! hahaha woot-woot"come on, now..Ill murder you on your debate!!!! Bring it on!!! hahaha! I think i can say why he is not overrated!!
Quote from: LAC/Eastside on January 28, 2010, 07:59:03 PMQuote from: fabtoxicp on January 28, 2010, 07:27:02 AMso the fact dat 2pac gave a good show, makes him the GOAT? i asked for a debate, where is it?.. bring up real proof to back up what ur sayin.. there isn't anythin called "just the way it is" - every opinion is individual - but there seems to also be a general opinion on 2pac the artist - dat he was "the goat", which i (like many else) feel is overrated.. 2pac was a complete artist, yes - in many ways, very much so - but he lacked the skills of an mc (generally speakin) - which DEFINITELY is the most important-factor dat u should have in mind, when rankin ppl wit "the goat"-title. how can he be the fuckin "goat" if he can't rap? should the other things he accomplished outweigh him for dat, and give him a "free-pass"? NO, dat's bullshit! he could put on a good show like u say, right?plus - intriguing and captivating charisma/voiceplus - occasionaly great content-matterplus - a bunch of other thingsBUT HE WASN't A GOOD MC/RAPPER period, the most important thing - how can he then be the "goat".?pac was the best "artist", BUT he wan't the best rapper - therefore, i cant se him bein the goatthe nigga could'nt even offthedome-freestyle for christ sake, and im bettin u 10 stacks dat the nigga would've been slaughtered in a battle-cypher by every other nigga from Tha Row (xcept mayb Daz)I AM NOT bashin ur hero, im a big fan just like u - but i feel like he is overrated, and im stickin to it - which a million other niggas feel as wellno need to be immature about it, and sream "what are u talkin about! hahaha woot-woot"come on, now..Ill murder you on your debate!!!! Bring it on!!! hahaha! I think i can say why he is not overrated!!the kid is fighting an already lost battle, he lost by just saying what he said....
Quote from: U.N.T.O.U.C.H.A.B.L.E. on January 28, 2010, 08:18:30 PMQuote from: LAC/Eastside on January 28, 2010, 07:59:03 PMQuote from: fabtoxicp on January 28, 2010, 07:27:02 AMso the fact dat 2pac gave a good show, makes him the GOAT? i asked for a debate, where is it?.. bring up real proof to back up what ur sayin.. there isn't anythin called "just the way it is" - every opinion is individual - but there seems to also be a general opinion on 2pac the artist - dat he was "the goat", which i (like many else) feel is overrated.. 2pac was a complete artist, yes - in many ways, very much so - but he lacked the skills of an mc (generally speakin) - which DEFINITELY is the most important-factor dat u should have in mind, when rankin ppl wit "the goat"-title. how can he be the fuckin "goat" if he can't rap? should the other things he accomplished outweigh him for dat, and give him a "free-pass"? NO, dat's bullshit! he could put on a good show like u say, right?plus - intriguing and captivating charisma/voiceplus - occasionaly great content-matterplus - a bunch of other thingsBUT HE WASN't A GOOD MC/RAPPER period, the most important thing - how can he then be the "goat".?pac was the best "artist", BUT he wan't the best rapper - therefore, i cant se him bein the goatthe nigga could'nt even offthedome-freestyle for christ sake, and im bettin u 10 stacks dat the nigga would've been slaughtered in a battle-cypher by every other nigga from Tha Row (xcept mayb Daz)I AM NOT bashin ur hero, im a big fan just like u - but i feel like he is overrated, and im stickin to it - which a million other niggas feel as wellno need to be immature about it, and sream "what are u talkin about! hahaha woot-woot"come on, now..Ill murder you on your debate!!!! Bring it on!!! hahaha! I think i can say why he is not overrated!!the kid is fighting an already lost battle, he lost by just saying what he said.... Dont get me wrong homie!! The dude had a good argument but i thinking he is fucking up on his definition of MC!!! I think Pac is an MC!! He claims Pac does not have the 4 levels or whatever the fuck!!! I think he is wrong!