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Democrats pass health care reform bill
virtuoso:
However you are missing the point to, this will open the stage for a new compulsory tax at a time where economics say this is the worst recession for 80 years and will get worse, so in other words, this is going to be the greatest ever depression. People will use emotive reasoning for why this is good and I understand the viewpoint I genuinely do but also understand, that in reality millions and millions more illegal immigrants are coming in, placing an even greater strain on resources, taxes will have to subsidise them to. The health service will worsen and so there will be an emphasis on bigger tax rises and furthermore, this puts the government in direct control of health care. Now what we have already seen here in England is it becoming one of those out in the open practices where do not resuscitate instructions have been given when it comes to the elderly. So through the back door we are seeing euthanisation creep in and with this, will come new directives, new budgets, new can do's and can't and what's more, new targets which could actually make the situation worse, despite the fact that people are being forced to pay.
We have already heard that Obama has met with representatives of the pharma oligopoly to reassure them it was business as usual, in other words despite this potential new found buying power, they would not use it to a) get big discounts or b) look for alternative products to the main stays. More fundamentally, it's something like 30% of americans are on 3 psychotrophics a day which only increases their dependancy, zombifies their emotional state, no doubt increases depression and leaves them feeling helpless, so it plays right into the hands of this system. What is wrong with health as a whole is that the emphasis seems to always be placed on treating the symptoms and not the problem.
So as everything that third generation, fourth generation americans have and had the promise of having turns to shit, they get to pop some more pills and be sedated. In terms of the underlying TNT which everyone is son, America is already something like 800 trillion in debt including current debts and unfunded liabilities and in terms of loss of manufacturing production etc, so this system, this wonderful new health care system is going to fall apart by design, it has to because there is nothing to maintain it. Yeah sure you can mug the middle class for everything they have, but what about when they have nothing more to give?
Matty:
talking of the middle class having nothing left to give, here is an excellent piece on debt productivity/saturation from yesterday:
http://economicedge.blogspot.com/2010/03/most-important-chart-of-century.html
Shallow:
--- Quote from: Dollaz + $ense on March 22, 2010, 07:02:32 PM ---
--- Quote from: Real American on March 22, 2010, 05:02:15 PM ---I am suprised no one else started a thread about this.
This truly is a sad day for America.........
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in 5 years you're gonna be like "health care is the shit"
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But in 25 to 50 years you're gonna be saying "health care is shit". I don't know about you but I'd rather be in debt my whole life rather than dead because of lower quality care, rushed misdiagnosis, and less money to pay for better technologies.
The US does not have the money to pay for this even if they could run it right, which no one can. I predict that China will overtake the US as the World power by the end of our life time, and by te end of our grand children's lifetime the US will be a 2nd world country.
Matty:
--- Quote from: Shallow on March 23, 2010, 08:57:36 AM ---
--- Quote from: Dollaz + $ense on March 22, 2010, 07:02:32 PM ---
--- Quote from: Real American on March 22, 2010, 05:02:15 PM ---I am suprised no one else started a thread about this.
This truly is a sad day for America.........
--- End quote ---
in 5 years you're gonna be like "health care is the shit"
--- End quote ---
But in 25 to 50 years you're gonna be saying "health care is shit". I don't know about you but I'd rather be in debt my whole life rather than dead because of lower quality care, rushed misdiagnosis, and less money to pay for better technologies.
The US does not have the money to pay for this even if they could run it right, which no one can. I predict that China will overtake the US as the World power by the end of our life time, and by te end of our grand children's lifetime the US will be a 2nd world country.
--- End quote ---
you won't need to wait until the end of your life time. give it a decade and the world will be a very different place, barring any crazy wars or disasters...
socialised healthcare can work and does work in some places, but these are places with crazy income taxes (wealthier european nations) so it ultimately comes at a high expense. at least it works though.
america on the other hand is already internally corrupted to the core so trying to reform anything for the better is kind of futile. thing is even the private healthcare system could be run more efficiently if insurance was what it said on the tin and it wasn't such a huge government subsidized market. you got people claiming for everything, whereas it should just be for the real bad shit and normal healthcare on a pay as you go basis.
Shallow:
--- Quote from: Matty on March 23, 2010, 09:44:45 AM ---
--- Quote from: Shallow on March 23, 2010, 08:57:36 AM ---
--- Quote from: Dollaz + $ense on March 22, 2010, 07:02:32 PM ---
--- Quote from: Real American on March 22, 2010, 05:02:15 PM ---I am suprised no one else started a thread about this.
This truly is a sad day for America.........
--- End quote ---
in 5 years you're gonna be like "health care is the shit"
--- End quote ---
But in 25 to 50 years you're gonna be saying "health care is shit". I don't know about you but I'd rather be in debt my whole life rather than dead because of lower quality care, rushed misdiagnosis, and less money to pay for better technologies.
The US does not have the money to pay for this even if they could run it right, which no one can. I predict that China will overtake the US as the World power by the end of our life time, and by te end of our grand children's lifetime the US will be a 2nd world country.
--- End quote ---
you won't need to wait until the end of your life time. give it a decade and the world will be a very different place, barring any crazy wars or disasters...
socialised healthcare can work and does work in some places, but these are places with crazy income taxes (wealthier european nations) so it ultimately comes at a high expense. at least it works though.
america on the other hand is already internally corrupted to the core so trying to reform anything for the better is kind of futile. thing is even the private healthcare system could be run more efficiently if insurance was what it said on the tin and it wasn't such a huge government subsidized market. you got people claiming for everything, whereas it should just be for the real bad shit and normal healthcare on a pay as you go basis.
--- End quote ---
All those places that it "works" are bankrupt to shit and borrowing money from countries that treat their citizens like servants. When the US falls Europe will too.
I just wonder if the Chinese will learn from our mistakes and take even more from their successes in Hong Kong. I think China knows it has to be like Hong Kong was if it wants to create a real first world Super Power and Empire and I think the major steps will be taken. They are communist now just like the West was Monarchist for all those centuries, but soon they'll come to true democratic capitalism and hopefully they'll do it better than the US did.
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