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Democrats pass health care reform bill
Javier:
The Public Option didn't even pass. Why are people acting like if Universal Health Care just passed? If U.S. is going to fail because of Health Insurance, then we were well on our way to fail because the real problem was there and the real problem continues to be there.
Turf Hitta:
--- Quote from: Real American on March 22, 2010, 05:02:15 PM ---I am suprised no one else started a thread about this.
This truly is a sad day for America.........
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why? is the sky falling again?
IRAN iz Gangsta!:
healthcare IS shit, i dont know how this is WORSE...its either the same or BETTER than what we have now. Republicans are just bunch of whiny little kids who are gonna oppose everything obama says until he's out of office, not cuz it makes sense but because they dont like him cuz of his color. They dont like america being nice to other races, they want white supremacy.
in the end, this country is so screwed that it doesnt matter what bill passes...what they need to fix is the mortgage crisis cuz that has put a major halt in everything...if they just accept the truth and give up these loans, start over with lower priced homes and let business pick up, they'll make their money back and more. Whats the point of holding on to a foreclosed home for years cuz u dont wanna sell it for $100k less when u just lost money by holding on to it all these years??
Matty:
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--- Quote from: Real American on March 22, 2010, 05:02:15 PM ---I am suprised no one else started a thread about this.
This truly is a sad day for America.........
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in 5 years you're gonna be like "health care is the shit"
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But in 25 to 50 years you're gonna be saying "health care is shit". I don't know about you but I'd rather be in debt my whole life rather than dead because of lower quality care, rushed misdiagnosis, and less money to pay for better technologies.
The US does not have the money to pay for this even if they could run it right, which no one can. I predict that China will overtake the US as the World power by the end of our life time, and by te end of our grand children's lifetime the US will be a 2nd world country.
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you won't need to wait until the end of your life time. give it a decade and the world will be a very different place, barring any crazy wars or disasters...
socialised healthcare can work and does work in some places, but these are places with crazy income taxes (wealthier european nations) so it ultimately comes at a high expense. at least it works though.
america on the other hand is already internally corrupted to the core so trying to reform anything for the better is kind of futile. thing is even the private healthcare system could be run more efficiently if insurance was what it said on the tin and it wasn't such a huge government subsidized market. you got people claiming for everything, whereas it should just be for the real bad shit and normal healthcare on a pay as you go basis.
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All those places that it "works" are bankrupt to shit and borrowing money from countries that treat their citizens like servants. When the US falls Europe will too.
I just wonder if the Chinese will learn from our mistakes and take even more from their successes in Hong Kong. I think China knows it has to be like Hong Kong was if it wants to create a real first world Super Power and Empire and I think the major steps will be taken. They are communist now just like the West was Monarchist for all those centuries, but soon they'll come to true democratic capitalism and hopefully they'll do it better than the US did.
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yeah, not all of europe though. the wealthier nations run a big surplus, have far less debt and most importantly, have plentiful resources. sure they get hurt when the shit hits the fan in all the poor and overextended countries, but they don't collapse or suffer as badly. places like norway, sweden, germany, switzerland, france, etc.
bit like the america-china balance of trade. in the long run china won't collapse, they'll take a big hit and need to readjust, but they're very busy preparing for that day now, whereas america is not.
The Overfiend:
Goddamnit its a shame....I don't want the US to fuck out and elano...you guys paint a depressing picture of the US future, but theres some good analysis here so respect all around.
Sure China is growing, but don't forget their government are so uptight...that is going to hold them back, keep companies from expanding there..
The US is still the world's largest economy (so says the CIA factbook)...its still dwarfes China...China would have to DOUBLE its economy to overtake the US. The US economy still dwarfs the fuck out of any country's economy. Only the EU (as a collective of many many countries) is bigger than the US.
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