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Quote from: Conan on March 31, 2010, 08:07:14 AMQuote from: ikke on March 31, 2010, 07:54:00 AMQuote from: Conan on March 31, 2010, 05:46:09 AMI really don't understand the fans who say: "_______ should make music like he used to during the '93-'96, Death Row era." You do realize that if he were to do so, the resulting album would probably only sell to a handful of the members of this board? It would then likely be considered a greater flop than anything they've previously released. Like Snoop said in the interview with Nima a while back, music is a job for these people. Most of the fans who loved the music of that era have grown up, and, as I wrote in my Cypress review, Hip-Hop has always been considered a young mans game. The majority of people paying for rap music aren't the grown men that remember firtst listening to Doggystyle. They're the adolescents helping Gucci sell more than Snoop, and paying for their favourite Drake ringtone. You want a sustained career? Well, guess what - you have to make some compromises. Whether it's Snoop working with The-Dream or Warren jumping on a B.o.B. track, artists are constantly expected to adapt with the times. Do so or get left behind. And, for the record, it is a compromise - Warren may be on these "pop" songs you don't like, but listen closely. The style is the same. It's still the same Warren flow loyal fans are accustomed to.Finally, Warren's at a stage in his career where he should be able to make these decisions without the constant criticism of those who once supported him. Dude has given you so much great music that, like it or not, you should at least respect the route he has chosen to take."Want my old shit? Buy my old albums." - Jay-ZArtists get most there money from shows so alienating their fanbase is actually a bad idea.Snoop's last albums didn't sell shit, why? His fanbase doesn't like it.Artists making pop-music have a harder time then artists who just make music for themselves and there loyal fans since pop crowds move on easier.Raekwon made a sequel to his debut, he didn't compromise or anything and sold more then snoop.That's not an exception, Blackout! 2 sold 63k first week, also more then MIW.Let's not forget that both these albums were dropped in the same week as BP3 & Relapse respectively.Em & Jay are pop-acts but are also seen as 'real hip-hop' which means that sales of Rae, Red & Meth would be higher had they dropped in antother week.So stop with the 'they need to move on shit' it's a bad move.Stop acting like Rae and Red/Meth aren't the exceptions to the rule. We could go back and forth citing examples of this all day, but here's a few relevant to this discussion: Dogg Pound (separately and collectively), Quik, even Warren (try telling me In The Mid-Nite Hour isn't West Coast sonically) have all dropped albums trying to appease their die-hard fans. They hardly set the world alight. Part of the reason Rae's album got so much attention was because it WAS a turn-up for the books. Here was an uncompromising album that actually got the acclaim and (some would argue) sales it deserved. Rae's sales were really a drop in the ocean, though, for an album backed by such a tireless promotional campaign. It's also no coincidence that both these albums, at least with their titles, are trading off former glories. Creating a sequel to a classic work is always going to garner some serious attention. Finally on this point, Red and Meth did compromise in places. Some of the tracks on there maybe lacked autotune, but that's not to say there weren't joints on there with mainstream intentions.As for Snoop... it's no secret that the marketplace is becoming singles-driven, with the disparity between single sales and album sales growing greater by the day (check the latest XXL Freshmen issue - great article on this subject.) MNW gave him two of his biggest singles of recent memory - "Gangsta Luv" and "I Wanna Rock" both charted higher than anything lifted from Tha Last Meal, if I'm not mistaken.I doubt those 2 singles been bigger than "Beautiful", "Drop It Like Its Hot", "Sign" or even "Sexual Eruption"
Quote from: ikke on March 31, 2010, 07:54:00 AMQuote from: Conan on March 31, 2010, 05:46:09 AMI really don't understand the fans who say: "_______ should make music like he used to during the '93-'96, Death Row era." You do realize that if he were to do so, the resulting album would probably only sell to a handful of the members of this board? It would then likely be considered a greater flop than anything they've previously released. Like Snoop said in the interview with Nima a while back, music is a job for these people. Most of the fans who loved the music of that era have grown up, and, as I wrote in my Cypress review, Hip-Hop has always been considered a young mans game. The majority of people paying for rap music aren't the grown men that remember firtst listening to Doggystyle. They're the adolescents helping Gucci sell more than Snoop, and paying for their favourite Drake ringtone. You want a sustained career? Well, guess what - you have to make some compromises. Whether it's Snoop working with The-Dream or Warren jumping on a B.o.B. track, artists are constantly expected to adapt with the times. Do so or get left behind. And, for the record, it is a compromise - Warren may be on these "pop" songs you don't like, but listen closely. The style is the same. It's still the same Warren flow loyal fans are accustomed to.Finally, Warren's at a stage in his career where he should be able to make these decisions without the constant criticism of those who once supported him. Dude has given you so much great music that, like it or not, you should at least respect the route he has chosen to take."Want my old shit? Buy my old albums." - Jay-ZArtists get most there money from shows so alienating their fanbase is actually a bad idea.Snoop's last albums didn't sell shit, why? His fanbase doesn't like it.Artists making pop-music have a harder time then artists who just make music for themselves and there loyal fans since pop crowds move on easier.Raekwon made a sequel to his debut, he didn't compromise or anything and sold more then snoop.That's not an exception, Blackout! 2 sold 63k first week, also more then MIW.Let's not forget that both these albums were dropped in the same week as BP3 & Relapse respectively.Em & Jay are pop-acts but are also seen as 'real hip-hop' which means that sales of Rae, Red & Meth would be higher had they dropped in antother week.So stop with the 'they need to move on shit' it's a bad move.Stop acting like Rae and Red/Meth aren't the exceptions to the rule. We could go back and forth citing examples of this all day, but here's a few relevant to this discussion: Dogg Pound (separately and collectively), Quik, even Warren (try telling me In The Mid-Nite Hour isn't West Coast sonically) have all dropped albums trying to appease their die-hard fans. They hardly set the world alight. Part of the reason Rae's album got so much attention was because it WAS a turn-up for the books. Here was an uncompromising album that actually got the acclaim and (some would argue) sales it deserved. Rae's sales were really a drop in the ocean, though, for an album backed by such a tireless promotional campaign. It's also no coincidence that both these albums, at least with their titles, are trading off former glories. Creating a sequel to a classic work is always going to garner some serious attention. Finally on this point, Red and Meth did compromise in places. Some of the tracks on there maybe lacked autotune, but that's not to say there weren't joints on there with mainstream intentions.As for Snoop... it's no secret that the marketplace is becoming singles-driven, with the disparity between single sales and album sales growing greater by the day (check the latest XXL Freshmen issue - great article on this subject.) MNW gave him two of his biggest singles of recent memory - "Gangsta Luv" and "I Wanna Rock" both charted higher than anything lifted from Tha Last Meal, if I'm not mistaken.
Quote from: Conan on March 31, 2010, 05:46:09 AMI really don't understand the fans who say: "_______ should make music like he used to during the '93-'96, Death Row era." You do realize that if he were to do so, the resulting album would probably only sell to a handful of the members of this board? It would then likely be considered a greater flop than anything they've previously released. Like Snoop said in the interview with Nima a while back, music is a job for these people. Most of the fans who loved the music of that era have grown up, and, as I wrote in my Cypress review, Hip-Hop has always been considered a young mans game. The majority of people paying for rap music aren't the grown men that remember firtst listening to Doggystyle. They're the adolescents helping Gucci sell more than Snoop, and paying for their favourite Drake ringtone. You want a sustained career? Well, guess what - you have to make some compromises. Whether it's Snoop working with The-Dream or Warren jumping on a B.o.B. track, artists are constantly expected to adapt with the times. Do so or get left behind. And, for the record, it is a compromise - Warren may be on these "pop" songs you don't like, but listen closely. The style is the same. It's still the same Warren flow loyal fans are accustomed to.Finally, Warren's at a stage in his career where he should be able to make these decisions without the constant criticism of those who once supported him. Dude has given you so much great music that, like it or not, you should at least respect the route he has chosen to take."Want my old shit? Buy my old albums." - Jay-ZArtists get most there money from shows so alienating their fanbase is actually a bad idea.Snoop's last albums didn't sell shit, why? His fanbase doesn't like it.Artists making pop-music have a harder time then artists who just make music for themselves and there loyal fans since pop crowds move on easier.Raekwon made a sequel to his debut, he didn't compromise or anything and sold more then snoop.That's not an exception, Blackout! 2 sold 63k first week, also more then MIW.Let's not forget that both these albums were dropped in the same week as BP3 & Relapse respectively.Em & Jay are pop-acts but are also seen as 'real hip-hop' which means that sales of Rae, Red & Meth would be higher had they dropped in antother week.So stop with the 'they need to move on shit' it's a bad move.
I really don't understand the fans who say: "_______ should make music like he used to during the '93-'96, Death Row era." You do realize that if he were to do so, the resulting album would probably only sell to a handful of the members of this board? It would then likely be considered a greater flop than anything they've previously released. Like Snoop said in the interview with Nima a while back, music is a job for these people. Most of the fans who loved the music of that era have grown up, and, as I wrote in my Cypress review, Hip-Hop has always been considered a young mans game. The majority of people paying for rap music aren't the grown men that remember firtst listening to Doggystyle. They're the adolescents helping Gucci sell more than Snoop, and paying for their favourite Drake ringtone. You want a sustained career? Well, guess what - you have to make some compromises. Whether it's Snoop working with The-Dream or Warren jumping on a B.o.B. track, artists are constantly expected to adapt with the times. Do so or get left behind. And, for the record, it is a compromise - Warren may be on these "pop" songs you don't like, but listen closely. The style is the same. It's still the same Warren flow loyal fans are accustomed to.Finally, Warren's at a stage in his career where he should be able to make these decisions without the constant criticism of those who once supported him. Dude has given you so much great music that, like it or not, you should at least respect the route he has chosen to take."Want my old shit? Buy my old albums." - Jay-Z
Quote from: George Brown on March 31, 2010, 08:27:35 AMQuote from: Conan on March 31, 2010, 08:07:14 AMQuote from: ikke on March 31, 2010, 07:54:00 AMQuote from: Conan on March 31, 2010, 05:46:09 AMI really don't understand the fans who say: "_______ should make music like he used to during the '93-'96, Death Row era." You do realize that if he were to do so, the resulting album would probably only sell to a handful of the members of this board? It would then likely be considered a greater flop than anything they've previously released. Like Snoop said in the interview with Nima a while back, music is a job for these people. Most of the fans who loved the music of that era have grown up, and, as I wrote in my Cypress review, Hip-Hop has always been considered a young mans game. The majority of people paying for rap music aren't the grown men that remember firtst listening to Doggystyle. They're the adolescents helping Gucci sell more than Snoop, and paying for their favourite Drake ringtone. You want a sustained career? Well, guess what - you have to make some compromises. Whether it's Snoop working with The-Dream or Warren jumping on a B.o.B. track, artists are constantly expected to adapt with the times. Do so or get left behind. And, for the record, it is a compromise - Warren may be on these "pop" songs you don't like, but listen closely. The style is the same. It's still the same Warren flow loyal fans are accustomed to.Finally, Warren's at a stage in his career where he should be able to make these decisions without the constant criticism of those who once supported him. Dude has given you so much great music that, like it or not, you should at least respect the route he has chosen to take."Want my old shit? Buy my old albums." - Jay-ZArtists get most there money from shows so alienating their fanbase is actually a bad idea.Snoop's last albums didn't sell shit, why? His fanbase doesn't like it.Artists making pop-music have a harder time then artists who just make music for themselves and there loyal fans since pop crowds move on easier.Raekwon made a sequel to his debut, he didn't compromise or anything and sold more then snoop.That's not an exception, Blackout! 2 sold 63k first week, also more then MIW.Let's not forget that both these albums were dropped in the same week as BP3 & Relapse respectively.Em & Jay are pop-acts but are also seen as 'real hip-hop' which means that sales of Rae, Red & Meth would be higher had they dropped in antother week.So stop with the 'they need to move on shit' it's a bad move.Stop acting like Rae and Red/Meth aren't the exceptions to the rule. We could go back and forth citing examples of this all day, but here's a few relevant to this discussion: Dogg Pound (separately and collectively), Quik, even Warren (try telling me In The Mid-Nite Hour isn't West Coast sonically) have all dropped albums trying to appease their die-hard fans. They hardly set the world alight. Part of the reason Rae's album got so much attention was because it WAS a turn-up for the books. Here was an uncompromising album that actually got the acclaim and (some would argue) sales it deserved. Rae's sales were really a drop in the ocean, though, for an album backed by such a tireless promotional campaign. It's also no coincidence that both these albums, at least with their titles, are trading off former glories. Creating a sequel to a classic work is always going to garner some serious attention. Finally on this point, Red and Meth did compromise in places. Some of the tracks on there maybe lacked autotune, but that's not to say there weren't joints on there with mainstream intentions.As for Snoop... it's no secret that the marketplace is becoming singles-driven, with the disparity between single sales and album sales growing greater by the day (check the latest XXL Freshmen issue - great article on this subject.) MNW gave him two of his biggest singles of recent memory - "Gangsta Luv" and "I Wanna Rock" both charted higher than anything lifted from Tha Last Meal, if I'm not mistaken.I doubt those 2 singles been bigger than "Beautiful", "Drop It Like Its Hot", "Sign" or even "Sexual Eruption"If anything, that supports my point. All those singles were atypical Snoop releases: Justin on "Signs," autotune of "Sensual Seduction," Pharrell on the others. Snoop's biggest hits have come from when he DOES embrace pop music.
I visit other sites and I never seen so much complaining than I do when I come on to this site. I'm surprised some of you haven't started a petition for warren to force him to go back to G-funk style of music. G files wasn't that bad. It's been 15 years, music has changed since then. Just like every decade or more, rock music changes its sound or like any other genre. Get used to it. I may not like some of the music thats coming out from other artists either, but there's plenty of music out there to listen to from the newer artists.
i still prefer to hear warren g that not hearing him at all.
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