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Quote from: Jaydc isnt a pedophile he's a talent scout on April 18, 2010, 02:35:22 PMI didnt say he wasnt good at it.The guy has the hits no doubt.The artist that is paralell to a jay z is a madonna.They both have had huge success,lasted a long time shown great business sense,have a knack for big singles.Jay Z is literally the madonna of hip hop.yes theyve both had huge success and are great at what they do,but niether are anywhere close to the greatest in their respective genres.Now here's where we have different definitions for greatest. To me, greatest doesn't mean the best. When we think of other genres like rock. the "greats" are the ones who were immensely successful and had an impact on the genre, not the ones who can play the guitar the best. Madonna is considered one of the greatest pop singers of all time because of her influence and her hits. I think of hip hop the same way.There are many rappers who can outrap Jay-Z. Doesn't mean he's not one of the greatest. He's not on my top 10 list. But to the world he's a legend. That's what makes him great. An underground rapper can't be one of the greatest since they haven't influenced anything.
I didnt say he wasnt good at it.The guy has the hits no doubt.The artist that is paralell to a jay z is a madonna.They both have had huge success,lasted a long time shown great business sense,have a knack for big singles.Jay Z is literally the madonna of hip hop.yes theyve both had huge success and are great at what they do,but niether are anywhere close to the greatest in their respective genres.
Quote from: rapsodie sees the bitch in you on April 18, 2010, 03:46:09 PMQuote from: Jaydc isnt a pedophile he's a talent scout on April 18, 2010, 02:35:22 PMI didnt say he wasnt good at it.The guy has the hits no doubt.The artist that is paralell to a jay z is a madonna.They both have had huge success,lasted a long time shown great business sense,have a knack for big singles.Jay Z is literally the madonna of hip hop.yes theyve both had huge success and are great at what they do,but niether are anywhere close to the greatest in their respective genres.Now here's where we have different definitions for greatest. To me, greatest doesn't mean the best. When we think of other genres like rock. the "greats" are the ones who were immensely successful and had an impact on the genre, not the ones who can play the guitar the best. Madonna is considered one of the greatest pop singers of all time because of her influence and her hits. I think of hip hop the same way.There are many rappers who can outrap Jay-Z. Doesn't mean he's not one of the greatest. He's not on my top 10 list. But to the world he's a legend. That's what makes him great. An underground rapper can't be one of the greatest since they haven't influenced anything.You name me one of the 'greats" in rock that is comparable to Jay Z and I'll tell you why you're wrong.
Quote from: rapsodie sees the bitch in you on April 18, 2010, 03:46:09 PMQuote from: Jaydc isnt a pedophile he's a talent scout on April 18, 2010, 02:35:22 PMI didnt say he wasnt good at it.The guy has the hits no doubt.The artist that is paralell to a jay z is a madonna.They both have had huge success,lasted a long time shown great business sense,have a knack for big singles.Jay Z is literally the madonna of hip hop.yes theyve both had huge success and are great at what they do,but niether are anywhere close to the greatest in their respective genres.Now here's where we have different definitions for greatest. To me, greatest doesn't mean the best. When we think of other genres like rock. the "greats" are the ones who were immensely successful and had an impact on the genre, not the ones who can play the guitar the best. Madonna is considered one of the greatest pop singers of all time because of her influence and her hits. I think of hip hop the same way.There are many rappers who can outrap Jay-Z. Doesn't mean he's not one of the greatest. He's not on my top 10 list. But to the world he's a legend. That's what makes him great. An underground rapper can't be one of the greatest since they haven't influenced anything.Well the question posed is who is the greatest emcee of all time,not who can make the most pop songs in rap.I think we can both agree that Jay z is not the greatest emcee of all time.
Quote from: Shallow on April 18, 2010, 03:58:28 PMQuote from: rapsodie sees the bitch in you on April 18, 2010, 03:46:09 PMQuote from: Jaydc isnt a pedophile he's a talent scout on April 18, 2010, 02:35:22 PMI didnt say he wasnt good at it.The guy has the hits no doubt.The artist that is paralell to a jay z is a madonna.They both have had huge success,lasted a long time shown great business sense,have a knack for big singles.Jay Z is literally the madonna of hip hop.yes theyve both had huge success and are great at what they do,but niether are anywhere close to the greatest in their respective genres.Now here's where we have different definitions for greatest. To me, greatest doesn't mean the best. When we think of other genres like rock. the "greats" are the ones who were immensely successful and had an impact on the genre, not the ones who can play the guitar the best. Madonna is considered one of the greatest pop singers of all time because of her influence and her hits. I think of hip hop the same way.There are many rappers who can outrap Jay-Z. Doesn't mean he's not one of the greatest. He's not on my top 10 list. But to the world he's a legend. That's what makes him great. An underground rapper can't be one of the greatest since they haven't influenced anything.You name me one of the 'greats" in rock that is comparable to Jay Z and I'll tell you why you're wrong.Rock singers and rappers aren't really comparable. For one, rock "greats" are far more legendary than any rapper is. But I'll try. People call Elvis Presley the king of rock n roll. To me he's overrated as fuck. He's still one of the greats though. Come to think of it, he does have something in common with Jay-Z. Elvis Presley stole his style from black musicians and ran with it. Jay-Z steals ideas and runs with it
Quote from: rapsodie sees the bitch in you on April 18, 2010, 04:47:08 PMQuote from: Shallow on April 18, 2010, 03:58:28 PMQuote from: rapsodie sees the bitch in you on April 18, 2010, 03:46:09 PMQuote from: Jaydc isnt a pedophile he's a talent scout on April 18, 2010, 02:35:22 PMI didnt say he wasnt good at it.The guy has the hits no doubt.The artist that is paralell to a jay z is a madonna.They both have had huge success,lasted a long time shown great business sense,have a knack for big singles.Jay Z is literally the madonna of hip hop.yes theyve both had huge success and are great at what they do,but niether are anywhere close to the greatest in their respective genres.Now here's where we have different definitions for greatest. To me, greatest doesn't mean the best. When we think of other genres like rock. the "greats" are the ones who were immensely successful and had an impact on the genre, not the ones who can play the guitar the best. Madonna is considered one of the greatest pop singers of all time because of her influence and her hits. I think of hip hop the same way.There are many rappers who can outrap Jay-Z. Doesn't mean he's not one of the greatest. He's not on my top 10 list. But to the world he's a legend. That's what makes him great. An underground rapper can't be one of the greatest since they haven't influenced anything.You name me one of the 'greats" in rock that is comparable to Jay Z and I'll tell you why you're wrong.Rock singers and rappers aren't really comparable. For one, rock "greats" are far more legendary than any rapper is. But I'll try. People call Elvis Presley the king of rock n roll. To me he's overrated as fuck. He's still one of the greats though. Come to think of it, he does have something in common with Jay-Z. Elvis Presley stole his style from black musicians and ran with it. Jay-Z steals ideas and runs with it How do you steal a style? He grew up in Memphis right off of Beale street. I love how all the black artists of the time that had talent loved Elvis, but all these modern talentless buffoons call him a theif.Elvis didn't "steal" anymore from Fats Domino than he did from Hank Williams. But he could sing with the very best of them, and re-arrange and produce songs with the very best of them. Elvis could sing and perform at the same level as Jackie Wilson and James Brown. Elvis became a local star based completely on raw talent. Jay Z became a star on honing a skill based around a lack of musical talent. And that's not a knock on Jay. I'm just saying if Jay could sing like Marvin Gaye and dance like James Brown from his teen years onward he never would have been a rapper. He'd have been a top RnB singer.Jay Z is more comparable to Jimmy Paige or John Lennon than Elvis.
Quote from: Shallow on April 18, 2010, 06:19:25 PMQuote from: rapsodie sees the bitch in you on April 18, 2010, 04:47:08 PMQuote from: Shallow on April 18, 2010, 03:58:28 PMQuote from: rapsodie sees the bitch in you on April 18, 2010, 03:46:09 PMQuote from: Jaydc isnt a pedophile he's a talent scout on April 18, 2010, 02:35:22 PMI didnt say he wasnt good at it.The guy has the hits no doubt.The artist that is paralell to a jay z is a madonna.They both have had huge success,lasted a long time shown great business sense,have a knack for big singles.Jay Z is literally the madonna of hip hop.yes theyve both had huge success and are great at what they do,but niether are anywhere close to the greatest in their respective genres.Now here's where we have different definitions for greatest. To me, greatest doesn't mean the best. When we think of other genres like rock. the "greats" are the ones who were immensely successful and had an impact on the genre, not the ones who can play the guitar the best. Madonna is considered one of the greatest pop singers of all time because of her influence and her hits. I think of hip hop the same way.There are many rappers who can outrap Jay-Z. Doesn't mean he's not one of the greatest. He's not on my top 10 list. But to the world he's a legend. That's what makes him great. An underground rapper can't be one of the greatest since they haven't influenced anything.You name me one of the 'greats" in rock that is comparable to Jay Z and I'll tell you why you're wrong.Rock singers and rappers aren't really comparable. For one, rock "greats" are far more legendary than any rapper is. But I'll try. People call Elvis Presley the king of rock n roll. To me he's overrated as fuck. He's still one of the greats though. Come to think of it, he does have something in common with Jay-Z. Elvis Presley stole his style from black musicians and ran with it. Jay-Z steals ideas and runs with it How do you steal a style? He grew up in Memphis right off of Beale street. I love how all the black artists of the time that had talent loved Elvis, but all these modern talentless buffoons call him a theif.Elvis didn't "steal" anymore from Fats Domino than he did from Hank Williams. But he could sing with the very best of them, and re-arrange and produce songs with the very best of them. Elvis could sing and perform at the same level as Jackie Wilson and James Brown. Elvis became a local star based completely on raw talent. Jay Z became a star on honing a skill based around a lack of musical talent. And that's not a knock on Jay. I'm just saying if Jay could sing like Marvin Gaye and dance like James Brown from his teen years onward he never would have been a rapper. He'd have been a top RnB singer.Jay Z is more comparable to Jimmy Paige or John Lennon than Elvis.Didn't I say rappers and singers aren't comparable? I was speaking towards their accomplishments, not skill versus talent, which is a completely different topic. Honestly I'm not really a big fan of Elvis Presley. If you think he's one of the greatest singers, that's on you. But you should at least get my point. Elvis Presley is one of the greats because of his legacy, not because of his "raw talent." There's a lot of talented singers who never get notice. Just like there's a lot of skilled rappers who could rap circles around Jay-Z. But they aren't "great." How could they be the greatest of all time with zero recognition?