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"Atheists have no morals, just look at Stalin & Hitler"
Blasphemy:
--- Quote from: Sikotic Smack Da Kufi Off Yo' Bitch Ass Head on April 26, 2010, 03:36:11 AM ---
--- Quote from: Shallow on April 25, 2010, 05:17:31 PM ---
--- Quote from: Sikotic Smack Da Kufi Off Yo' Bitch Ass Head on April 24, 2010, 04:52:52 PM ---Christians and Muslims have killed more people throughout history than Hitler or Stalin could of ever done.
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That makes no sense. You're comparing the number of people killed by anyone associating themselves as Christian or Muslim to that of two individual men. For arguments sake let's say that since Christ appeared and people started calling themselves Christian there have been 500 million killers in history who identified themselves as Christian. Throw in another 300 million killers who consider themselves Muslim and you have 800 million people who are killers. So I would think that 800 million killers would have killed more people than two killers; Hitler and Stalin.
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More people have been killed in the name of Christ and Allah than Hitler and Stalin have killed people int he name of their own causes. So yes, I agree with what you said.
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Are you just assuming this IE I killed a guy, check his Religion and adding to your numbers??? Because in the end, a killer who happens to be a Christian versus a Killer doing it BECAUSE he is a Christian, and is doing it for Religion is different. The Death Toll in that respect isn't 800million, infact you're garnering it over a matter of years. Hitler and Stalin killed a ton not even a 1/3 of that time frame of passing by.
In the end though, Either way it shows how people can utilize mankinds fears for personal gain. Churchs control there Flock using God and the FEAR of Damnation, Hitler used Germanys rising issues and fears in a seemlier manner, Both promised good and utilized there tactics in the name of Hope (Religion saving you into a Heavenly Sanctuary), Hitler promising a better Germany.
Sikotic™:
--- Quote from: Blasphemy on April 26, 2010, 08:05:45 AM ---
--- Quote from: Sikotic Smack Da Kufi Off Yo' Bitch Ass Head on April 26, 2010, 03:36:11 AM ---
--- Quote from: Shallow on April 25, 2010, 05:17:31 PM ---
--- Quote from: Sikotic Smack Da Kufi Off Yo' Bitch Ass Head on April 24, 2010, 04:52:52 PM ---Christians and Muslims have killed more people throughout history than Hitler or Stalin could of ever done.
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That makes no sense. You're comparing the number of people killed by anyone associating themselves as Christian or Muslim to that of two individual men. For arguments sake let's say that since Christ appeared and people started calling themselves Christian there have been 500 million killers in history who identified themselves as Christian. Throw in another 300 million killers who consider themselves Muslim and you have 800 million people who are killers. So I would think that 800 million killers would have killed more people than two killers; Hitler and Stalin.
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More people have been killed in the name of Christ and Allah than Hitler and Stalin have killed people int he name of their own causes. So yes, I agree with what you said.
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Are you just assuming this IE I killed a guy, check his Religion and adding to your numbers??? Because in the end, a killer who happens to be a Christian versus a Killer doing it BECAUSE he is a Christian, and is doing it for Religion is different. The Death Toll in that respect isn't 800million, infact you're garnering it over a matter of years. Hitler and Stalin killed a ton not even a 1/3 of that time frame of passing by.
In the end though, Either way it shows how people can utilize mankinds fears for personal gain. Churchs control there Flock using God and the FEAR of Damnation, Hitler used Germanys rising issues and fears in a seemlier manner, Both promised good and utilized there tactics in the name of Hope (Religion saving you into a Heavenly Sanctuary), Hitler promising a better Germany.
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Of course I'm not talking about people who murder and happen to be of a certain faith. I'm referring to people killing in the name of their faith or their god.
And how is time frame relevant? I was simply referring to the quote in the topic. It's not my opinion that Christians and Muslims have killed more than Hitler and Stalin: its fact. That's all I'm sayin', there's really no argument to it lol.
I agree with you on how easily people can be manipulated though.
Blasphemy:
--- Quote from: Sikotic Smack Da Kufi Off Yo' Bitch Ass Head on April 26, 2010, 03:35:46 PM ---
--- Quote from: Blasphemy on April 26, 2010, 08:05:45 AM ---
--- Quote from: Sikotic Smack Da Kufi Off Yo' Bitch Ass Head on April 26, 2010, 03:36:11 AM ---
--- Quote from: Shallow on April 25, 2010, 05:17:31 PM ---
--- Quote from: Sikotic Smack Da Kufi Off Yo' Bitch Ass Head on April 24, 2010, 04:52:52 PM ---Christians and Muslims have killed more people throughout history than Hitler or Stalin could of ever done.
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That makes no sense. You're comparing the number of people killed by anyone associating themselves as Christian or Muslim to that of two individual men. For arguments sake let's say that since Christ appeared and people started calling themselves Christian there have been 500 million killers in history who identified themselves as Christian. Throw in another 300 million killers who consider themselves Muslim and you have 800 million people who are killers. So I would think that 800 million killers would have killed more people than two killers; Hitler and Stalin.
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More people have been killed in the name of Christ and Allah than Hitler and Stalin have killed people int he name of their own causes. So yes, I agree with what you said.
--- End quote ---
Are you just assuming this IE I killed a guy, check his Religion and adding to your numbers??? Because in the end, a killer who happens to be a Christian versus a Killer doing it BECAUSE he is a Christian, and is doing it for Religion is different. The Death Toll in that respect isn't 800million, infact you're garnering it over a matter of years. Hitler and Stalin killed a ton not even a 1/3 of that time frame of passing by.
In the end though, Either way it shows how people can utilize mankinds fears for personal gain. Churchs control there Flock using God and the FEAR of Damnation, Hitler used Germanys rising issues and fears in a seemlier manner, Both promised good and utilized there tactics in the name of Hope (Religion saving you into a Heavenly Sanctuary), Hitler promising a better Germany.
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Of course I'm not talking about people who murder and happen to be of a certain faith. I'm referring to people killing in the name of their faith or their god.
And how is time frame relevant? I was simply referring to the quote in the topic. It's not my opinion that Christians and Muslims have killed more than Hitler and Stalin: its fact. That's all I'm sayin', there's really no argument to it lol.
I agree with you on how easily people can be manipulated though.
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Time frame is always relevant just to get a perspective. If Hitler or Stalin had a bigger reign then the death toll would be more. In the Grand Scheme though all that time with all the Relgious Crusades would always outline just what was it 8 years of rule (Can't Remember). It's like comparing a incident lasting 10 years (Hitler, Stalin), with other incidents that are in the time frame of 1000.
I do believe the the Church can probably kill way more then Hilter and Stalin in the Grand Scheme, but in the same time frame???
Still either way its not really correct. Take Christianity, killing is strictly forbidden in the bible, was listed as one of the original 10 commandments said to be by God himself. So Just because the Pope a man, has rule over the Church doesn't mean he can override The Creators original doctrine. Hell Muslim extremist have corrupted what it originally meant to Martyr ones self.
Dying in a shoot out isn't martyrdom it's just you dieing for cause mass destruction.
ikke:
--- Quote from: Blasphemy on April 27, 2010, 08:16:35 AM ---
--- Quote from: Sikotic Smack Da Kufi Off Yo' Bitch Ass Head on April 26, 2010, 03:35:46 PM ---
--- Quote from: Blasphemy on April 26, 2010, 08:05:45 AM ---
--- Quote from: Sikotic Smack Da Kufi Off Yo' Bitch Ass Head on April 26, 2010, 03:36:11 AM ---
--- Quote from: Shallow on April 25, 2010, 05:17:31 PM ---
--- Quote from: Sikotic Smack Da Kufi Off Yo' Bitch Ass Head on April 24, 2010, 04:52:52 PM ---Christians and Muslims have killed more people throughout history than Hitler or Stalin could of ever done.
--- End quote ---
That makes no sense. You're comparing the number of people killed by anyone associating themselves as Christian or Muslim to that of two individual men. For arguments sake let's say that since Christ appeared and people started calling themselves Christian there have been 500 million killers in history who identified themselves as Christian. Throw in another 300 million killers who consider themselves Muslim and you have 800 million people who are killers. So I would think that 800 million killers would have killed more people than two killers; Hitler and Stalin.
--- End quote ---
More people have been killed in the name of Christ and Allah than Hitler and Stalin have killed people int he name of their own causes. So yes, I agree with what you said.
--- End quote ---
Are you just assuming this IE I killed a guy, check his Religion and adding to your numbers??? Because in the end, a killer who happens to be a Christian versus a Killer doing it BECAUSE he is a Christian, and is doing it for Religion is different. The Death Toll in that respect isn't 800million, infact you're garnering it over a matter of years. Hitler and Stalin killed a ton not even a 1/3 of that time frame of passing by.
In the end though, Either way it shows how people can utilize mankinds fears for personal gain. Churchs control there Flock using God and the FEAR of Damnation, Hitler used Germanys rising issues and fears in a seemlier manner, Both promised good and utilized there tactics in the name of Hope (Religion saving you into a Heavenly Sanctuary), Hitler promising a better Germany.
--- End quote ---
Of course I'm not talking about people who murder and happen to be of a certain faith. I'm referring to people killing in the name of their faith or their god.
And how is time frame relevant? I was simply referring to the quote in the topic. It's not my opinion that Christians and Muslims have killed more than Hitler and Stalin: its fact. That's all I'm sayin', there's really no argument to it lol.
I agree with you on how easily people can be manipulated though.
--- End quote ---
Time frame is always relevant just to get a perspective. If Hitler or Stalin had a bigger reign then the death toll would be more. In the Grand Scheme though all that time with all the Relgious Crusades would always outline just what was it 8 years of rule (Can't Remember). It's like comparing a incident lasting 10 years (Hitler, Stalin), with other incidents that are in the time frame of 1000.
I do believe the the Church can probably kill way more then Hilter and Stalin in the Grand Scheme, but in the same time frame???
Still either way its not really correct. Take Christianity, killing is strictly forbidden in the bible, was listed as one of the original 10 commandments said to be by God himself. So Just because the Pope a man, has rule over the Church doesn't mean he can override The Creators original doctrine. Hell Muslim extremist have corrupted what it originally meant to Martyr ones self.
Dying in a shoot out isn't martyrdom it's just you dieing for cause mass destruction.
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THe point is that religious people do the same.
Actually the commandment originally meant don't kill other jews.
Shallow:
--- Quote from: Sikotic Smack Da Kufi Off Yo' Bitch Ass Head on April 26, 2010, 03:36:11 AM ---
--- Quote from: Shallow on April 25, 2010, 05:17:31 PM ---
--- Quote from: Sikotic Smack Da Kufi Off Yo' Bitch Ass Head on April 24, 2010, 04:52:52 PM ---Christians and Muslims have killed more people throughout history than Hitler or Stalin could of ever done.
--- End quote ---
That makes no sense. You're comparing the number of people killed by anyone associating themselves as Christian or Muslim to that of two individual men. For arguments sake let's say that since Christ appeared and people started calling themselves Christian there have been 500 million killers in history who identified themselves as Christian. Throw in another 300 million killers who consider themselves Muslim and you have 800 million people who are killers. So I would think that 800 million killers would have killed more people than two killers; Hitler and Stalin.
--- End quote ---
More people have been killed in the name of Christ and Allah than Hitler and Stalin have killed people int he name of their own causes. So yes, I agree with what you said.
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And more people have been killed in the name of love than killed by Hitler and Stalin combined. Should that in any way reflect the idea of two people falling in love? More people have been in killed in the name food too? Should we somehow equate feeding yourself with evil.
People kill people because people are stupid. And stupid people needs justification for their stupidity. If some nut who killed someone needs to say it was Jesus he did it for to make himself feel better then good for him. But that has nothing to do with Jesus. Hitler and Stalin on the other hand killed people and said it right to do so. Jesus never told me to kill anyone.
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