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"Atheists have no morals, just look at Stalin & Hitler"

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Shallow:

--- Quote from: ikke on April 26, 2010, 02:14:29 AM ---
--- Quote from: Shallow on April 25, 2010, 05:17:31 PM ---
That makes no sense. You're comparing the number of people killed by anyone associating themselves as Christian or Muslim to that of two individual men. For arguments sake let's say that since Christ appeared and people started calling themselves Christian there have been 500 million killers in history who identified themselves as Christian. Throw in another 300 million killers who consider themselves Muslim and you have 800 million people who are killers. So I would think that 800 million killers would have killed more people than two killers; Hitler and Stalin.
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It does make sense.
Religious people say only atheists have no morals and therefore do things like Stalin & Hitler when the Truth is Religious people are just as guilty of these actions.


--- Quote from: Shallow on April 25, 2010, 05:17:31 PM ---
And to the OP; who cares what people say. If they think killing would be any less with more religion, than they're just as stupid as people that think killing would be any less with no religion. It all balances itself out. Even in ass backward parts of India where they have honor killings. More atheists die every year of high cholesterol related heart attacks than brothers killing their sisters for shaming the family in the eyes of Vishnu, and because they only eat organic food over there, none of them die of high cholesterol related heart attacks. I don't like Paul McCartney, but he was right about one thing; Live and let die.

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Did you just say all atheists are fat?

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Maybe if they believed in a God to help guide them they wouldn't be so fat.

Sikotic™:

--- Quote from: Blasphemy on April 27, 2010, 08:16:35 AM ---
--- Quote from: Sikotic Smack Da Kufi Off Yo' Bitch Ass Head on April 26, 2010, 03:35:46 PM ---
--- Quote from: Blasphemy on April 26, 2010, 08:05:45 AM ---
--- Quote from: Sikotic Smack Da Kufi Off Yo' Bitch Ass Head on April 26, 2010, 03:36:11 AM ---
--- Quote from: Shallow on April 25, 2010, 05:17:31 PM ---
--- Quote from: Sikotic Smack Da Kufi Off Yo' Bitch Ass Head on April 24, 2010, 04:52:52 PM ---Christians and Muslims have killed more people throughout history than Hitler or Stalin could of ever done.

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That makes no sense. You're comparing the number of people killed by anyone associating themselves as Christian or Muslim to that of two individual men. For arguments sake let's say that since Christ appeared and people started calling themselves Christian there have been 500 million killers in history who identified themselves as Christian. Throw in another 300 million killers who consider themselves Muslim and you have 800 million people who are killers. So I would think that 800 million killers would have killed more people than two killers; Hitler and Stalin.

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More people have been killed in the name of Christ and Allah than Hitler and Stalin have killed people int he name of their own causes. So yes, I agree with what you said.

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Are you just assuming this IE I killed a guy, check his Religion and adding to your numbers??? Because in the end, a killer who happens to be a Christian versus a Killer doing it BECAUSE he is a Christian, and is doing it for Religion is different. The Death Toll in that respect isn't 800million, infact you're garnering it over a matter of years. Hitler and Stalin killed a ton not even a 1/3 of that time frame of passing by.

In the end though, Either way it shows how people can utilize mankinds fears for personal gain. Churchs control there Flock using God and the FEAR of Damnation, Hitler used Germanys rising issues and fears in a seemlier manner, Both promised good and utilized there tactics in the name of Hope (Religion saving you into a Heavenly Sanctuary), Hitler promising a better Germany.

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Of course I'm not talking about people who murder and happen to be of a certain faith. I'm referring to people killing in the name of their faith or their god.

And how is time frame relevant? I was simply referring to the quote in the topic. It's not my opinion that Christians and Muslims have killed more than Hitler and Stalin: its fact. That's all I'm sayin', there's really no argument to it lol.

I agree with you on how easily people can be manipulated though.

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Time frame is always relevant just to get a perspective. If Hitler or Stalin had a bigger reign then the death toll would be more. In the Grand Scheme though all that time with all the Relgious Crusades would always outline just what was it 8 years of rule (Can't Remember). It's like comparing a incident lasting 10 years (Hitler, Stalin), with other incidents that are in the time frame of 1000.

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Okay, but the fact that the world would not tolerate the mass murders committed by Hitler, yet allowed the Crusades to devastate the world speaks volumes about the power of religion and how it can be used for total destruction instead of salvation.

Shallow:

--- Quote from: Sikotic Smack Da Kufi Off Yo' Bitch Ass Head on April 27, 2010, 12:02:47 PM ---
--- Quote from: Blasphemy on April 27, 2010, 08:16:35 AM ---
--- Quote from: Sikotic Smack Da Kufi Off Yo' Bitch Ass Head on April 26, 2010, 03:35:46 PM ---
--- Quote from: Blasphemy on April 26, 2010, 08:05:45 AM ---
--- Quote from: Sikotic Smack Da Kufi Off Yo' Bitch Ass Head on April 26, 2010, 03:36:11 AM ---
--- Quote from: Shallow on April 25, 2010, 05:17:31 PM ---
--- Quote from: Sikotic Smack Da Kufi Off Yo' Bitch Ass Head on April 24, 2010, 04:52:52 PM ---Christians and Muslims have killed more people throughout history than Hitler or Stalin could of ever done.

--- End quote ---


That makes no sense. You're comparing the number of people killed by anyone associating themselves as Christian or Muslim to that of two individual men. For arguments sake let's say that since Christ appeared and people started calling themselves Christian there have been 500 million killers in history who identified themselves as Christian. Throw in another 300 million killers who consider themselves Muslim and you have 800 million people who are killers. So I would think that 800 million killers would have killed more people than two killers; Hitler and Stalin.

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More people have been killed in the name of Christ and Allah than Hitler and Stalin have killed people int he name of their own causes. So yes, I agree with what you said.

--- End quote ---

Are you just assuming this IE I killed a guy, check his Religion and adding to your numbers??? Because in the end, a killer who happens to be a Christian versus a Killer doing it BECAUSE he is a Christian, and is doing it for Religion is different. The Death Toll in that respect isn't 800million, infact you're garnering it over a matter of years. Hitler and Stalin killed a ton not even a 1/3 of that time frame of passing by.

In the end though, Either way it shows how people can utilize mankinds fears for personal gain. Churchs control there Flock using God and the FEAR of Damnation, Hitler used Germanys rising issues and fears in a seemlier manner, Both promised good and utilized there tactics in the name of Hope (Religion saving you into a Heavenly Sanctuary), Hitler promising a better Germany.

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Of course I'm not talking about people who murder and happen to be of a certain faith. I'm referring to people killing in the name of their faith or their god.

And how is time frame relevant? I was simply referring to the quote in the topic. It's not my opinion that Christians and Muslims have killed more than Hitler and Stalin: its fact. That's all I'm sayin', there's really no argument to it lol.

I agree with you on how easily people can be manipulated though.

--- End quote ---

Time frame is always relevant just to get a perspective. If Hitler or Stalin had a bigger reign then the death toll would be more. In the Grand Scheme though all that time with all the Relgious Crusades would always outline just what was it 8 years of rule (Can't Remember). It's like comparing a incident lasting 10 years (Hitler, Stalin), with other incidents that are in the time frame of 1000.

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Okay, but the fact that the world would not tolerate the mass murders committed by Hitler, yet allowed the Crusades to devastate the world speaks volumes about the power of religion and how it can be used for total destruction instead of salvation.

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Wait a minute. I never read about any organized death camps during the crusades of innocent people being rounded up and killed for no reason. The crusades were a war between two religious factions, and the Muslims were killing Christians and taking over land just like the Christians were. Spain was taken over by Muslims. SPAIN! That'd be like people in concentration camps taking over Italy. It wasn't possible.

And what did the world do to oppose Hitler's evil idea of killing people? Nuke two Japanese islands and bomb the shit out of every country associated with Germany, then had over land to Stalin for helping them defeat Hitler. Give me a fucking break man.

You're just picking on religion because you don't like stuck up evangelicals with a superiority complex. That's how it comes across to me anyway.

ikke:

--- Quote from: Shallow on April 27, 2010, 05:48:15 PM ---
Wait a minute. I never read about any organized death camps during the crusades of innocent people being rounded up and killed for no reason. The crusades were a war between two religious factions, and the Muslims were killing Christians and taking over land just like the Christians were. Spain was taken over by Muslims. SPAIN! That'd be like people in concentration camps taking over Italy. It wasn't possible.

And what did the world do to oppose Hitler's evil idea of killing people? Nuke two Japanese islands and bomb the shit out of every country associated with Germany, then had over land to Stalin for helping them defeat Hitler. Give me a fucking break man.

You're just picking on religion because you don't like stuck up evangelicals with a superiority complex. That's how it comes across to me anyway.

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I recommend you to revisit the old testament.
Jews wiped out entire cultures.

There weren't any organized death camps because they just killed everybody right away.
Spain wasn't taken over by Muslims, just a small part in the south.
That's like saying Cubans took over america because they took over in miami


--- Quote from: Shallow on April 27, 2010, 09:14:29 AM ---
--- Quote from: ikke on April 26, 2010, 02:14:29 AM ---
--- Quote from: Shallow on April 25, 2010, 05:17:31 PM ---
That makes no sense. You're comparing the number of people killed by anyone associating themselves as Christian or Muslim to that of two individual men. For arguments sake let's say that since Christ appeared and people started calling themselves Christian there have been 500 million killers in history who identified themselves as Christian. Throw in another 300 million killers who consider themselves Muslim and you have 800 million people who are killers. So I would think that 800 million killers would have killed more people than two killers; Hitler and Stalin.
--- End quote ---
It does make sense.
Religious people say only atheists have no morals and therefore do things like Stalin & Hitler when the Truth is Religious people are just as guilty of these actions.


--- Quote from: Shallow on April 25, 2010, 05:17:31 PM ---
And to the OP; who cares what people say. If they think killing would be any less with more religion, than they're just as stupid as people that think killing would be any less with no religion. It all balances itself out. Even in ass backward parts of India where they have honor killings. More atheists die every year of high cholesterol related heart attacks than brothers killing their sisters for shaming the family in the eyes of Vishnu, and because they only eat organic food over there, none of them die of high cholesterol related heart attacks. I don't like Paul McCartney, but he was right about one thing; Live and let die.

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Did you just say all atheists are fat?

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Maybe if they believed in a God to help guide them they wouldn't be so fat.

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Are you serious?
America is a pretty much a christian nation and it's easily the fattest country in the world.

pootypooty:
Christians, Muslims, Stalin, Hitler and every Joe, Fred, Buck and Jim have killed, and they've killed a lot of people throughout history in the name of theism, atheism, satanism, greed and baby mama/daddy drama.

Case in point, it's all relative. Just know that a shit load of people have been killed since the dawn of man.

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