I-Geezy vs Infinite... Isreal vs. Palestine.. the argument

[infinite59]

I GEEZY: tribes are humanz, but they can't be considered as landmarks of todayz palestinianz..
Infinite9559: so... it was okay for America to wipe the Indians off their land because the Indians were "tribes"
I GEEZY: no wiping people out is something else....no one wants to wipe them..
I GEEZY: they are the ones who let the wiping live on
Infinite9559: okay.... so it was okay for America to kick the Indians off their land?
I GEEZY: of course not,....
Infinite9559: they aren't letting anything live on... it was Sharon who started the latest Infintada by storming Al Aqsa mosque in East Jerusalaam and kiling people while they were praying
I GEEZY: lol, u really believe that they started the intifada cause sharon came there? man, this is a vivd excuse....a childish one but still an excuse...
I GEEZY: vivid*
Infinite9559: that's what started it
I GEEZY: they planed to start the intifada ever since the last camp david failed..
Infinite9559: when Isreal stormed the Al Aqsa mosque
I GEEZY: this was only later..
I GEEZY: when they started the mess.
Infinite9559: how come it didn't start until the day after Isreal stormed the mosque?
Infinite9559: okay.... so it was okay for America to kick the Indians off their land?
I GEEZY: :-), it started way be4, it's just that they needed an excuse to start it the way they wanted.
I GEEZY: of course not..

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Infinite9559: it didn't start way before... no Isreali's were being killed until they stormed the Al Aqsa mosque
Infinite9559: what's the difference between the Indian situation and the Palestine situation?
I GEEZY: they stormed al aqsa only after they riots started.
Infinite9559: okay.. well.. then that's your word against mine... but the statistics I read showed Palestine didn't start attacking till the day after Isreal stormed the mosque
I GEEZY: the diffrence is that the tribes in Palestine got together only when the yeshuv started be4 many of them were deadly enemies.
Infinite9559: a lot of the Indian Tribes were enemies
Infinite9559: still... what is the difference?
I GEEZY: lol, where did u find that critic in the mosaque?
I GEEZY: yea, but the americans came with the intention to clear the land from Indians jews din't come with a mision like this
I GEEZY: they simply wanted a state.
I GEEZY: we even agree to have a by national country
I GEEZY: the palestinianz where the once to decline
I GEEZY: ones*

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Infinite9559: no.... the reason they declined is because Isreal still wanted to be able to rule over them and surround them
Infinite9559: and Isreal still won't give back all the land
Infinite9559: just a little
Infinite9559: so it's okay to take someone's land if they are in tribes?
I GEEZY: lol, how could Israel suround them if they were the sitizents of Israel
Infinite9559: like the Indians are now
Infinite9559: they are in their little camps
Infinite9559: and reservations
Infinite9559: but under American law
I GEEZY: no, I already said that taking the land from Indians was morally incorect.
Infinite9559: so it was okay to take Palestine's land though?
I GEEZY: no, becuase there was no palestinian land.
I GEEZY: since there wwere no palestinians
Infinite9559: there wasn't ground underneath their feat?
I GEEZY: underneath the tribe's feaT?
I GEEZY: feet?*

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I GEEZY: OF COURSE...
I GEEZY: but those were'nt palestinian feet..
Infinite9559: okay... so you think it was okay to steal the tribes land?
Infinite9559: why?
I GEEZY: no, jews never meant to take over land be4 they tried to get the jews out of here, have u seen the original Jewish state?
I GEEZY: it was a tiny thing..
I GEEZY: 48 boarders.

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Infinite9559: so if they never meant to take over the land then why did they?
Infinite9559: I've seen the map... Isreal dominates the land, even though it doesn't have that many people
I GEEZY: cause they were atacked....
Infinite9559: they were attacked?
I GEEZY: yea,
Infinite9559: are you talking about the 1967 6 day war?
I GEEZY: on the second day of the formal existance
I GEEZY: no
Infinite9559: it was a pre-emptive strike
I GEEZY:  pre emptive strike?
Infinite9559: yep
Infinite9559: the 6 day war
Infinite9559: was a pre-emptive strike
Infinite9559: kind of like the US wants to do to Iraq
I GEEZY: no no, this is be4 the 6 day war.
Infinite9559: what about all the land they took during the 6 day war?
Infinite9559: you support that?
I GEEZY: well, that was as u said a pre emptive war....
I GEEZY: weather I support it
I GEEZY: hmmm
I GEEZY: in retrospective NO..
Infinite9559: so if you don't support that war
Infinite9559: then how can you support them still living on the land they won during that war?

[infinite59]

I GEEZY: the key word is "retrospective"....things have developed since than
Infinite9559: well.... Palestinians are still mad because of that
Infinite9559: they want that land back
I GEEZY: u don't see many counties returnin  taken lands right?
Infinite9559: yeah, actually you do
I GEEZY: not all of them some don't even wants Israel around
Infinite9559: South Africa from the British, India from the British, Yemen from Isreal
I GEEZY: want*
I GEEZY: lol,south africa and india those were colonies....
I GEEZY: these aren't
Infinite9559: they were under the control of the British
Infinite9559: but they forced the British out
Infinite9559: atleast the British control they forced out
I GEEZY: yea....but this was very far away from britain itself
I GEEZY: here it's right under our nose..
I GEEZY: colonies are diffrend from taken land.
Infinite9559: so... your saying.... "we know we are wrong, but it's too late to turn back now"
I GEEZY: no, don't get me wrong,
I GEEZY: I dont believe we were morally wrong
I GEEZY: I believe we were tacticly wrong
Infinite9559: well.... it still had the same effect
I GEEZY: not really,
Infinite9559: "we made a tactical mistake, but it's too late to turn back now"
I GEEZY: exactly
Infinite9559: "I killed man on accident, so his family got mad at me, so I might as well kill the rest and take their home"
I GEEZY: I also believe it was right for it's time
I GEEZY: yet as I said, IN retrospective it's a mistake
Infinite9559: why was it right at the time?
I GEEZY: since Israel would get it anyway, this was like a chess game, we simply got ahead of them
I GEEZY: if it wasn't Israel, I would be another surprise war prolly at the same time period
I GEEZY: an who knowes is Israel would've survived a surprise war at that time
I GEEZY: if*
I GEEZY: it**
I GEEZY: and*
Infinite9559: Isreal would get it anyway?

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Infinite9559: no they wouldn't
I GEEZY: not the land
I GEEZY: the heat.
I GEEZY: :-)
Infinite9559: Palestine can't give Isreal heat...
Infinite9559: Isreal has weapons of mass destruction
I GEEZY: oh yea....really.
Infinite9559: Palestine has rocks
I GEEZY: so what was happening for the last 2 years
I GEEZY: really, why cause talib kweli said?...lol...they gitz much moe than that
I GEEZY: they got human bombz
I GEEZY: they got weaponry support
I GEEZY: from hostile arab nations
I GEEZY: heared about Karin A
I GEEZY: ?
Infinite9559: who's Karin A
I GEEZY: that weapon ship our navi stoped some time ago
I GEEZY: the one I mentioned on "outsiderz"..:-)
Infinite9559: ohhhhhhhh
Infinite9559: the one that had the bombs
Infinite9559: yeah okay
I GEEZY: not only, rocketz, gunz and other shit..
Infinite9559: well... aiight... I've given you all that's in my arsenal for now... I'll hit you with another pre-emptive strike later
Infinite9559: peace
Infinite9559: yo....
I GEEZY: pz
Infinite9559: mind if I post this at Train of Thought?
I GEEZY: :-)
I GEEZY: post away my man
Infinite9559: aiight

['Illicit']

interesting. I'll have to read up on that

[CharlieBrown]

One thing that must never be forgotten, Palestinians sold Jews their land when they started coming over to the Middle East.

[infinite59]

One thing that must never be forgotten, Palestinians sold Jews their land when they started coming over to the Middle East.

Yeah.  They sold 6% of it.  Then another 80% was stolen.

[I TO DA GEEZY]

One thing that must never be forgotten, Palestinians sold Jews their land when they started coming over to the Middle East.

Yeah.  They sold 6% of it.  Then another 80% was stolen.

Not stolen, but taken under the sircumstances. Plus, the people who lived on those lands din't even own them, most of the lands belonged to sheihs who lived up in Syria, while today's palestinian's forefathers were their land workers....The lands that WERE bought weren't bought from the Palestinians but from the Sheihs who owned the land.

[Now_Im_Not_Banned]

I agree with Igeezy...PeACe