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Scenario: What would happened if there were evidence disproving God's existence?
Facez:
--- Quote from: ikke on May 08, 2010, 10:49:41 AM ---You seem to be believing in something like a metaphorical God (also known as Einsteinian), which isn't really a "God" but a name for all the forces that control the universe.
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No offense but i think you understood me, your comment made me sound like a pantheist which i am not nor do i believe in the einsteinian God. i believe in a God that is seperate from the universe and the laws/forces that govern it. i believe in a God that created those forces, a God that created: time, matter and energy not a physical entity but a transcendent, omniscient being, beyond what our minds can fathom.
--- Quote from: rapsodie sees the bitch in you on May 08, 2010, 11:44:02 AM ---Our society and technology hasn't advanced to the point where we can explain/prove everything that happens in the universe yet. But please tell me how it makes sense to construct a supernatural deity, on the basis of nothing, just because you can't explain something.
Think about all the people in history who believed in witchcraft and magic because they didn't know how to explain everything that happened. And now we laugh at those idiots because they were ignorant. What makes religion any smarter of a conclusion? It's sad how though we consider ourselves smarter than our ancestors, we use the exact same logic to explain things we don't know for sure.
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can't you use that same argument for many atheists though? because even though very little (i think about 4%) is known about the universe and how it was formed many are convinced that it couldnt possibly be God that created it and also i didnt say the beleif in God comes from the fact that people can not explain things in the universe. what i meant was that peopole believe in God because they see and know that this all had to come from somewhere and that even science backs this up by showing that matter and energy at some point must have come into existence somehow (first law of thermodynamics) and since matter/energy can not be created from matter, there must be a creator.
Triple OG Rapsodie:
--- Quote from: Facez on May 08, 2010, 12:49:40 PM ---
--- Quote from: rapsodie sees the bitch in you on May 08, 2010, 11:44:02 AM ---Our society and technology hasn't advanced to the point where we can explain/prove everything that happens in the universe yet. But please tell me how it makes sense to construct a supernatural deity, on the basis of nothing, just because you can't explain something.
Think about all the people in history who believed in witchcraft and magic because they didn't know how to explain everything that happened. And now we laugh at those idiots because they were ignorant. What makes religion any smarter of a conclusion? It's sad how though we consider ourselves smarter than our ancestors, we use the exact same logic to explain things we don't know for sure.
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can't you use that same argument for many atheists though? because even though very little (i think about 4%) is known about the universe and how it was formed many are convinced that it couldnt possibly be God that created it and also i didnt say the beleif in God comes from the fact that people can not explain things in the universe. what i meant was that peopole believe in God because they see and know that this all had to come from somewhere and that even science backs this up by showing that matter and energy at some point must have come into existence somehow (first law of thermodynamics) and since matter/energy can not be created from matter, there must be a creator.
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What? How so? Atheists don't come up with a magical deity to explain things. They admit they don't know the universe was created and they use science and what they know of reality to come up with the most plausible theory.
Why does there need to be a creator? Where would this creator come from? If you truly believe that the universe needed to be "created", then what created this "creator"? Adding a god doesn't actually answer any questions, it just transfers all the questions about how the universe was created to a magical deity and now instead you ask yourself what created this god.
.:DaYg0sTyLz:.:
--- Quote from: THETRUTHUG on May 07, 2010, 12:04:56 AM ---dont be mad cause i dont belive in this ..
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Do you believe in this?
ikke:
--- Quote from: Facez on May 08, 2010, 12:49:40 PM ---
--- Quote from: ikke on May 08, 2010, 10:49:41 AM ---You seem to be believing in something like a metaphorical God (also known as Einsteinian), which isn't really a "God" but a name for all the forces that control the universe.
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No offense but i think you understood me, your comment made me sound like a pantheist which i am not nor do i believe in the einsteinian God. i believe in a God that is seperate from the universe and the laws/forces that govern it. i believe in a God that created those forces, a God that created: time, matter and energy not a physical entity but a transcendent, omniscient being, beyond what our minds can fathom.
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Like I said, Atheists & Scientists don't see these forces as something separate or something that we can't comprehend (yet).
We try to understand these things and even if it is beyond our comprehension we are less ignorant then if we didn't try it at all.
So the difference isn't that big.
Triple OG Rapsodie:
I believe there is a logical reasoning for everything, but there's a lot of logic that we don't have the technology or capabilities to figure out yet. I will never get why people have to turn to magic just because they don't understand something. It's the exact same reasoning as those who believe in witchcraft. As a matter of fact, the basis of religious belief was invented by those same neanderthals who came up with witchcraft, human-sacrifice and all that other stuff we now regard as bullshit.
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