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Why LeBron Will NEVER Be Kobe...Cleveland is FINISHED.
LooN3y:
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--- Quote from: M Dogg on May 20, 2010, 09:32:18 PM ---
--- Quote from: Don Blunt Tyme on May 20, 2010, 04:43:31 PM ---lebron needs the right coach like kobe has phil michael had phil lebron has fuckin mike brown he aint winnin shit i dont think he can really motivate the team to win i wanna know what the fuck he did or said to the team those last two games he shouldve challenged lebron
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But I can't think of a team that has that for him outside of the teams that already have teams together. Maybe Miami with Riley, but Riley needs to just hang it up. The more that is expose, the more I'm betting Chicago for his future home.
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i dont get why people sayin chicago chicago blah blah when they havnt even figured out who the fuck their coach is gon be but thats the media creating this hype bout lebron/chicago they should focus more on who the next head coach is gon be and if thats gon be a major factor if lebron is gon be a bull or not next season
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i dont get how having 2 main ballhandlers is gonna work out (rose n lebron) to be effecient, its like having wade n lebron. of course it can work but they wouldnt fully exploit their talents because theyd have to share the ball so much.
bosh (amare) n lebron (wade, or any allstar calliber guard[given that can score as well as make plays]) would be perfect.
you need an all star or superstar caliber player down low, there isnt too many championships won with 2 superstars in the backcourt and nobody in the front, if any.
westsiderider323:
--- Quote from: LooN3y on May 21, 2010, 10:00:31 AM ---
--- Quote from: Don Blunt Tyme on May 21, 2010, 09:37:30 AM ---
--- Quote from: M Dogg on May 20, 2010, 09:32:18 PM ---
--- Quote from: Don Blunt Tyme on May 20, 2010, 04:43:31 PM ---lebron needs the right coach like kobe has phil michael had phil lebron has fuckin mike brown he aint winnin shit i dont think he can really motivate the team to win i wanna know what the fuck he did or said to the team those last two games he shouldve challenged lebron
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But I can't think of a team that has that for him outside of the teams that already have teams together. Maybe Miami with Riley, but Riley needs to just hang it up. The more that is expose, the more I'm betting Chicago for his future home.
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i dont get why people sayin chicago chicago blah blah when they havnt even figured out who the fuck their coach is gon be but thats the media creating this hype bout lebron/chicago they should focus more on who the next head coach is gon be and if thats gon be a major factor if lebron is gon be a bull or not next season
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i dont get how having 2 main ballhandlers is gonna work out (rose n lebron) to be effecient, its like having wade n lebron. of course it can work but they wouldnt fully exploit their talents because theyd have to share the ball so much.
bosh (amare) n lebron (wade, or any allstar calliber guard[given that can score as well as make plays]) would be perfect.
you need an all star or superstar caliber player down low, there isnt too many championships won with 2 superstars in the backcourt and nobody in the front, if any.
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joakim noah is pretty decent and taj gibson is prolly gon develop into one of the elite bigs in the league thats my IMO but i dont think its enough for lebron
and i forgot bout luol deng
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--- Quote from: NIKCC on May 20, 2010, 11:02:53 PM ---To me, it seems quite obvious that the Laker fans in this thread are being much more realistic about our team than the anti-Laker LeBron apologists...Does Kobe have a garbage supporting cast? Hell no...But is it a hall-of-fame supporting cast that has breezed through the season like some of ya'll are acting? No way. We're in between. We've got a good cast, built to win the title, because Kobe knows how to bring the best out of his supporting players, and through leadership, the cast has learned their individual roles and have played their role way better than LeBron's cast did. Our cast wouldn't look nearly as good without Kobe bringing the winning mentality, because looking good comes with winning. That is where leadership comes into play. The leadership of Phil and the leadership of Kobe. Kobe is like an extension of Phil on the court. if it wasn't for Phil, Kobe would never have his current winning mentality, just like if it weren't for Kobe, the Laker supporting cast wouldn't have that winning mentality. So maybe LeBron too wont reach that level until he gets a real coach. You guys bring up Mike Brown as an argument for why the Cavs didn't win, but Mike Brown may very well be the reason LeBron, as an individual, is incapable of grasping what it takes to be a winner. Kobe has said he would never be the player he is today if it weren' for Phil. So maybe LeBron wont reach that next level until he gets a coach who is capable of lifting him there...If LeBron had Kobe's ability of bringing the best out of his cast and willing his way to victories, people would be talking about how amazing and deep the Cleveland cast is, just like they were before they lost. When Lakers were losing, everyone said we didn't have the bench to repeat as champions. Being great comes with winning, and winning comes from will, just as much as it comes from ability...PeACe
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For one, I dont see how any of the Kobe fans are being more realistic. Two, anyone who supports LeBron in this argument isnt "anti-Laker".
Some of what u say makes sense. But cmon man. There is a reason things changed when Gasol got there. Obviously Kobe is the focal point of the Lakers. But who on the Cavs is actually better than Gasol? Who is better than Artest? And Im not talkin about them WITH Kobe. Im talkin...before they even came to the Lakers those two players were better than anyone LeBron is workin with. Shit, Artest is a much better player than he is showing now...since he has struggled a bit to adjust. So he was better before he even came to the Lakers. You could even make the argument that Lamar is as good as anyone on the Cavs roster right now...other than LeBron obviously. Lamar is just inconsistent. But which one of Lebrons supporting cast is all that cosistent anyways? Than factor in the Phil Jackson/Mike Brown comparison...it sounds somewhat ridiculous to think that Kobe doesnt have more help. Does that mean Kobe isnt as good as LeBron? It all just depends who you ask. But Im sure you agree that the Lakers are a better team than the Cavs right now. And I dont think thats cus of Kobe. Its because the rest of the team is better. Kobe vs Lebron is almost a wash.
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Sccit:
--- Quote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on May 21, 2010, 10:45:44 AM ---
--- Quote from: NIKCC on May 20, 2010, 11:02:53 PM ---To me, it seems quite obvious that the Laker fans in this thread are being much more realistic about our team than the anti-Laker LeBron apologists...Does Kobe have a garbage supporting cast? Hell no...But is it a hall-of-fame supporting cast that has breezed through the season like some of ya'll are acting? No way. We're in between. We've got a good cast, built to win the title, because Kobe knows how to bring the best out of his supporting players, and through leadership, the cast has learned their individual roles and have played their role way better than LeBron's cast did. Our cast wouldn't look nearly as good without Kobe bringing the winning mentality, because looking good comes with winning. That is where leadership comes into play. The leadership of Phil and the leadership of Kobe. Kobe is like an extension of Phil on the court. if it wasn't for Phil, Kobe would never have his current winning mentality, just like if it weren't for Kobe, the Laker supporting cast wouldn't have that winning mentality. So maybe LeBron too wont reach that level until he gets a real coach. You guys bring up Mike Brown as an argument for why the Cavs didn't win, but Mike Brown may very well be the reason LeBron, as an individual, is incapable of grasping what it takes to be a winner. Kobe has said he would never be the player he is today if it weren' for Phil. So maybe LeBron wont reach that next level until he gets a coach who is capable of lifting him there...If LeBron had Kobe's ability of bringing the best out of his cast and willing his way to victories, people would be talking about how amazing and deep the Cleveland cast is, just like they were before they lost. When Lakers were losing, everyone said we didn't have the bench to repeat as champions. Being great comes with winning, and winning comes from will, just as much as it comes from ability...PeACe
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For one, I dont see how any of the Kobe fans are being more realistic. Two, anyone who supports LeBron in this argument isnt "anti-Laker".
Some of what u say makes sense. But cmon man. There is a reason things changed when Gasol got there. Obviously Kobe is the focal point of the Lakers. But who on the Cavs is actually better than Gasol? Who is better than Artest? And Im not talkin about them WITH Kobe. Im talkin...before they even came to the Lakers those two players were better than anyone LeBron is workin with. Shit, Artest is a much better player than he is showing now...since he has struggled a bit to adjust. So he was better before he even came to the Lakers. You could even make the argument that Lamar is as good as anyone on the Cavs roster right now...other than LeBron obviously. Lamar is just inconsistent. But which one of Lebrons supporting cast is all that cosistent anyways? Than factor in the Phil Jackson/Mike Brown comparison...it sounds somewhat ridiculous to think that Kobe doesnt have more help. Does that mean Kobe isnt as good as LeBron? It all just depends who you ask. But Im sure you agree that the Lakers are a better team than the Cavs right now. And I dont think thats cus of Kobe. Its because the rest of the team is better. Kobe vs Lebron is almost a wash.
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Don't you realize that players seem much greater when they win? If Lakers lose, people call Gasol soft and say Odom is way too inconsistent, just like people are now doing with Antawn Jamison and Mo Williams...But when they win, Gasol is all of a sudden the second coming of Hakeem, and Odom is too versatile to fuck with...Those sorta titles only come with winning. If The Cavs woulda won, as they were clearly capable of doing, then everyone would still be calling Antawn Jamison a beast, Mo Williams a top-tier point guard, and the Cavs the deepest team in the league, as they did throughout the season. The Lakers, no doubt, are a much better team than the Cavs right now...But that doesn't mean the Cavs aren't CAPABLE of being better. When the Lakers were playing whack and the Cavs were beasting EVERYONE was saying Cavs had the better team. It's funny how I knew the Cavs would lose before they did, even when they were the heavy favorites to win. LeBron isn't bout it...he's not thinkin about the sacrifices it takes to win a championship, he's thinkin bout what team he's gunna play for next, and that's why the Cavs underperformed.
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