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Quote from: From Dre-Day to Helter Skelter on May 26, 2010, 12:58:21 PMQuote from: rapsodie sees the bitch in you on May 26, 2010, 11:40:35 AMQuote from: From Dre-Day to Helter Skelter on May 26, 2010, 02:36:13 AMMichelle, The D.O.C. Above The Lawnot taking Dr. Dre out of the equationsure, but Dre wasn't the only reason they all went platinum with their debut albums.Probably not the only reason, but he was the core force behind their success, even Jerry Heller acknowledges thisQuoteanyway, since you want a better answer, MC Ren.There's one, but his success lies because he was a core member of N.W.A, the biggest group at the time, not because he was signed to Ruthless. He released a few albums on Ruthless, but Eazy E had no hand in making them. I'm thinking more in terms of what Eazy, without any aid from the ones who made him a star, actually did for the music. I've always seen Eazy E as being the equivalent of Suge Knight. He was the owner of the label, the one who put money into it, but creatively he did almost jack towards the music.QuoteHelter Skelter wasn't certified gold but the numbers weren't that bad.neither was the quality of the album.if it was up to Dre, The D.O.C. would have had only 1 album & some skits.Dre gave bad advice for The D.O.C.'s career.look, accident or no accident, i doubt The D.O.C. could have been a big star.but even with the current voice he could have done more with his careerThe numbers weren't bad? What were they, pray tell? From what I remember it was a commercial and critical failure. I'm surprised to find anyone that thinks the D.O.C.'s voice could hold a candle to what it used to, much less hold down an album. To me his strongest asset was always his smooth, elegant flow, which he completely lost. In my opinion his two album releases with his fucked up voice only hurt his career, didn't help it. Dr. Dre made the right decision, even if it was putting down his friend.
Quote from: rapsodie sees the bitch in you on May 26, 2010, 11:40:35 AMQuote from: From Dre-Day to Helter Skelter on May 26, 2010, 02:36:13 AMMichelle, The D.O.C. Above The Lawnot taking Dr. Dre out of the equationsure, but Dre wasn't the only reason they all went platinum with their debut albums.
Quote from: From Dre-Day to Helter Skelter on May 26, 2010, 02:36:13 AMMichelle, The D.O.C. Above The Lawnot taking Dr. Dre out of the equation
Michelle, The D.O.C. Above The Law
anyway, since you want a better answer, MC Ren.
Helter Skelter wasn't certified gold but the numbers weren't that bad.neither was the quality of the album.if it was up to Dre, The D.O.C. would have had only 1 album & some skits.Dre gave bad advice for The D.O.C.'s career.look, accident or no accident, i doubt The D.O.C. could have been a big star.but even with the current voice he could have done more with his career
brand new voice, your choice
^a guess at best? lol. It's just blind denial on your part. He didn't write his own rhymes, he didn't produce, what exactly did he do? That's not a guess, its acknowledged by everyone involved.
Quote from: rapsodie sees the bitch in you on May 27, 2010, 12:37:28 PM^a guess at best? lol. It's just blind denial on your part. He didn't write his own rhymes, he didn't produce, what exactly did he do? That's not a guess, its acknowledged by everyone involved. He did produce according to his last interview in Rap Pages, he did write according to the liner notes on his albums. Maybe he didn't do the majority of the writing, but he wrote. What else would you have liked that he do? And how is he like Suge Knight? Exactly how many platinum and gold records did Suge personally have? Your continued attempts to marginalize Eazy's contributions are laughable.
Quote from: JohnnyL on May 27, 2010, 12:47:13 PMQuote from: rapsodie sees the bitch in you on May 27, 2010, 12:37:28 PM^a guess at best? lol. It's just blind denial on your part. He didn't write his own rhymes, he didn't produce, what exactly did he do? That's not a guess, its acknowledged by everyone involved. He did produce according to his last interview in Rap Pages, he did write according to the liner notes on his albums. Maybe he didn't do the majority of the writing, but he wrote. What else would you have liked that he do? And how is he like Suge Knight? Exactly how many platinum and gold records did Suge personally have? Your continued attempts to marginalize Eazy's contributions are laughable.marginalize Eazy's contributions? They are already marginalized by all counts. If I came out with an album produced by others and with my raps written for me, should I get credit for it? Also I'm lolling @ you trying to give credit to Eazy E as a writer when its a known fact he didn't write his own raps and he has never been credited as a producer. I'm sure he probably ad-libbed a couple lines once someone had written the rap for him (as did Dre probably) but that doesn't make him anything close to a writer. You give him way too much credit.
no real chance of a career?Helter Skelter was backed by a major label & The D.O.C. had the opportunity to drop a follow up to that album on the same label, but he ruined it.so don't tell me he didn't have a real chance, because that's bullshit.
Quote from: rapsodie sees the bitch in you on May 27, 2010, 01:47:47 PMQuote from: JohnnyL on May 27, 2010, 12:47:13 PMQuote from: rapsodie sees the bitch in you on May 27, 2010, 12:37:28 PM^a guess at best? lol. It's just blind denial on your part. He didn't write his own rhymes, he didn't produce, what exactly did he do? That's not a guess, its acknowledged by everyone involved. He did produce according to his last interview in Rap Pages, he did write according to the liner notes on his albums. Maybe he didn't do the majority of the writing, but he wrote. What else would you have liked that he do? And how is he like Suge Knight? Exactly how many platinum and gold records did Suge personally have? Your continued attempts to marginalize Eazy's contributions are laughable.marginalize Eazy's contributions? They are already marginalized by all counts. If I came out with an album produced by others and with my raps written for me, should I get credit for it? Also I'm lolling @ you trying to give credit to Eazy E as a writer when its a known fact he didn't write his own raps and he has never been credited as a producer. I'm sure he probably ad-libbed a couple lines once someone had written the rap for him (as did Dre probably) but that doesn't make him anything close to a writer. You give him way too much credit. I'm glad you're lolling. Keep lolling cause you're not effectively arguing. You can look at the liner notes to any of Eazy's albums. It cleary says who wrote his lyrics. On the tracks where Eazy didn't write his own lyrics, the appropriate person or persons are given credit. How is that taking credit for something that he didn't write? It seems to me that he's giving credit to the writers. I also noticed you ignored my statement about Eazy-E producing music. It's from his last interview, conducted with "Rap Pages" in February of '95 if you want to look it up.
Quoteno real chance of a career?Helter Skelter was backed by a major label & The D.O.C. had the opportunity to drop a follow up to that album on the same label, but he ruined it.so don't tell me he didn't have a real chance, because that's bullshit.I didn't say he never got the opportunity to have a major label career, but that even with all the backing in the world and an album full of Dre beats, with his voice the way it was, only hard core fans could get into it. Hence, no chance of a commercial career
Quote from: JohnnyL on May 27, 2010, 01:59:57 PMQuote from: rapsodie sees the bitch in you on May 27, 2010, 01:47:47 PMQuote from: JohnnyL on May 27, 2010, 12:47:13 PMQuote from: rapsodie sees the bitch in you on May 27, 2010, 12:37:28 PM^a guess at best? lol. It's just blind denial on your part. He didn't write his own rhymes, he didn't produce, what exactly did he do? That's not a guess, its acknowledged by everyone involved. He did produce according to his last interview in Rap Pages, he did write according to the liner notes on his albums. Maybe he didn't do the majority of the writing, but he wrote. What else would you have liked that he do? And how is he like Suge Knight? Exactly how many platinum and gold records did Suge personally have? Your continued attempts to marginalize Eazy's contributions are laughable.marginalize Eazy's contributions? They are already marginalized by all counts. If I came out with an album produced by others and with my raps written for me, should I get credit for it? Also I'm lolling @ you trying to give credit to Eazy E as a writer when its a known fact he didn't write his own raps and he has never been credited as a producer. I'm sure he probably ad-libbed a couple lines once someone had written the rap for him (as did Dre probably) but that doesn't make him anything close to a writer. You give him way too much credit. I'm glad you're lolling. Keep lolling cause you're not effectively arguing. You can look at the liner notes to any of Eazy's albums. It cleary says who wrote his lyrics. On the tracks where Eazy didn't write his own lyrics, the appropriate person or persons are given credit. How is that taking credit for something that he didn't write? It seems to me that he's giving credit to the writers. I also noticed you ignored my statement about Eazy-E producing music. It's from his last interview, conducted with "Rap Pages" in February of '95 if you want to look it up.yeah Rapsodie is acting like a politician.truth is, Eazy-E was creatively involved with the music.Quote from: dubsmith_nz on May 27, 2010, 02:28:55 PMQuoteno real chance of a career?Helter Skelter was backed by a major label & The D.O.C. had the opportunity to drop a follow up to that album on the same label, but he ruined it.so don't tell me he didn't have a real chance, because that's bullshit.I didn't say he never got the opportunity to have a major label career, but that even with all the backing in the world and an album full of Dre beats, with his voice the way it was, only hard core fans could get into it. Hence, no chance of a commercial career well i'm sure he can eat from it.