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Kobe...
teecee:
"Here's the heart of the matter: a stat that looks at how a performance like this can get lost and why these next two games could define Kobe's career. In the fourth quarters of the first four games in the Finals -- 48 minutes of action -- the Lakers had 82 possessions. In those possessions, Bryant had 57 touches. And within those 57 touches, he was 7-for-26 (26.9 percent) from the floor, scoring only 28 points.
In the fourth quarter of Game 5, he was 2-for-6 (33.3 percent), scoring nine points. In the last five minutes of the game, when the Lakers were down by as many as eight points, he had zero field goals and five points from the line. Making his game total of 38 points pointless. Because at that point of the game, it's about more than points. For Bryant, it's about an imprint and impact. It's about the mark he leaves on games after they're over."
"A mark that, even when he's played brilliantly in the Finals, we have yet to see. The Kobe Bryant that scares the "Shuttlesworth" out of opponents has still not shown up.
Which is why the next one (or two) game(s) have meaning beyond whether or not the Celtics are crowned champions at Kobe's (and the Lakers') expense. He's discovered his nemesis. It isn't one single player; instead, it's an entire team. Proof? 2008. More proof? 2010. The Celtics have become the Rafa to Kobe's Roger.
His inability, so far, to single-handedly be who we know he can be and do what we know he's capable of doing is making Tom Thibodeau look like the Buddy Ryan of basketball. It's making the Allens (Ray and Tony) look like Darren and Darrelle (Sharper and Revis). It's making the Celtics look like they need to put out a "Kobe Rules" book written by Dan Shaughnessy.
And just as Jordan found a way to overcome his kryptonite, so must Kobe. Two games from the title (one game from losing it), he needs to get the Celtics shook. He needs to be in the back of their minds, making them fearful that that Kobe game is about to happen ... and there won't be a damn thing they can do to stop it.
It's beyond weathering the storm. It's beyond survival. Beyond the much-hyped revenge. Now, for Kobe, it's about one man taking the game's G.O.A.T. title (not just the NBA title) personally, and challenging it to the point that MJ as the Greatest Of All Time is either disproved or put into serious question.
It's about Kobe realizing that what happens next might ultimately be how he will be remembered. In the screenplay of his career, the outcome of the next one or two games is the beginning of how his film will end. Because this -- this moment -- is all he has left."
the above is taken from http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/commentary/news/story?page=jackson/100614
teecee:
The above is what is great, but so difficult about sports- the greatest make their teammates better. I think Kobe does, but to what extent?
7even:
Another thing that really sets Jordan and Kobe apart is the off the ball actions. Jordan has been extraordinary without the ball, like getting crucial steals that led to decisive fast breaks and shit. Kinda like Rondo did sometimes in the Finals. Kobe doesn't have that to that huge extend. Also, his ballhandling has become shaky at times. If he wasn't still such a brilliant shotmaker, he'd be in serious trouble.
theremedy360:
--- Quote from: 7even on June 14, 2010, 07:52:09 PM ---Another thing that really sets Jordan and Kobe apart is the off the ball actions. Jordan has been extraordinary without the ball, like getting crucial steals that led to decisive fast breaks and shit. Kinda like Rondo did sometimes in the Finals. Kobe doesn't have that to that huge extend. Also, his ballhandling has become shaky at times. If he wasn't still such a brilliant shotmaker, he'd be in serious trouble.
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Kobe's ball handling has been pretty bad most of the year, I think a lot of that can be attributed to the broken index finger.
Sccit:
--- Quote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on June 10, 2010, 01:09:37 PM ---
--- Quote from: LooN3y on June 09, 2010, 11:28:26 AM ---
--- Quote from: Hans Moleman on June 08, 2010, 12:22:59 PM ---the only players who can compare to MJ in terms of career stats are Wilt and Lebron. and even Lebron is about 4 PPG away from Jordan in his prime (who was about a 32 PPG guy)
the only players who can compare in the terms of winning are Bill Russell and Robert Horry lol.
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lol at stats, what about in terms of skills, clutch, taking over games, being the finisher, and being the best.
its either going to be kobe or mj
none of those old school guys come close to kobe or MJ in terms of being the best player. but MJ didnt even play against a d-wade, lebron james, chris paul, the NBA has much more talent right now than they ever did.
lebron doesnt come close, this guys overrated i wouldnt be suprised if he joins the t-mac/grant hill club by the end of the career.
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I wouldnt use the level of competition as an argument FOR Kobe. It would actually hurt considering the league has turned SO much more into an offensive league geared towards allowing players to score at will or get to the line. Jordan was playing against bruising defenses where it was ok to simply knock people on their ass. Kobe would seriously curl up in a little ball and cry if he had to see Oakley, Mason or even Starks every year in the playoffs lol. Artest woudl be the soft player on those old Knicks teams.
The problem is, Kobe stans like to use stats to argue...but then when the stats go the other way they try to pretend as if stats dont matter.
You cant measure "skill" when you are talking about best EVER, because skill levels of players ALWAYS improves from generation to generation. If you took Wilt for example....Dwight Howard is more SKILLED then he ever was. And Dwight isnt that skilled by todays standards. But you would NEVER say that Howard is as great as Wilt. Different age of Basketball. You can only compare a players skill...for THEIR time. And Jordan was head and shoulders above the rest of the league. There were NEVER any questions as to whether he was the best basketball player in the world. Kobe is constantly in the midst of a debate as to whether he is the best player in the NBA right now. If you were watchin basketball during Jordans era, no one ever said that anyone else was the best. As a matter of face, Jordan was already considered the greatest all time before his career was over. Thats why Kobe can never be on his level.
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This is a lie, straight up...Jordan wasn't considered the best until he won a title, in the 90s.
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