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EMINEM - RECOVERY (Official Discussion)
Chamillitary Click:
--- Quote from: Action! on June 08, 2010, 08:22:29 PM ---Here's some more commentary from someone who does not really enjoy this album.
My issue isn't that he's trying to prove that he is the best in the game. I think he did it perfectly on Forever and Drop The World. My issue is the execution and how it works in the album. It all feels forced. The perfect get up to show how talented he is. It doesn't feel natural.
There's too many moments where it feels like he's making announcements of "Hey, I'm back and I'm really good. Pay attention here" and not enough moments of "Damn, did he just do that!?!!" Too much telling (Hey, guys, I just want to thank my fans...I was high on drugs for Encore, and recovering on Relapse....blah blah blah... i'm back", not enough showing (he showed up on Forever and murdered it.)
The album is such a mix bag of tricks. I'm not disputing his flow or vocal talent. I just don't like the approach he chose. Too many whiny vocal choruses, too many aggressive approach to tracks that should've been toned down. There's just too much, "I don't care what you think but guess what I really do."
What I gathered from this album is that he misses being number 1 because he was high off drugs when he was. Hell, his Proof commentary isn't even memorable. It's more fitting that he admits he can't create a track about Proof then attempting to do so and releasing a half-assed one for the public to jerk off to.
Not Afraid is not dope music like Lose Yourself. Hell, it's not even dope music like Beautiful.
Note: I thought Relapse was a dope concept album until Eminem admitted it wasn't one. So, from that perspective it's a complete failure. It wasn't funny, it was disturbing and sick (which would have made a great metaphor on how serious drug issues are but since it isn't one, it's a complete failure.)
I'm a known defender of Encore because I find it to be genuinely raw and emotional about his life and his career (past, present, and future).
If I were to summarize this album, I'd say it's got the perfect get up to show why Eminem is supposed to be one of the greats but it's soulless. I can't feel it which is oddly disappointing because I thought he was going to swing it out the park based on his recent guest features of Forever & Drop the World. Both of those tracks did everything right that this album didn't.
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i don't want to come across too defensive, because i've defended this album throughout the thread, but it sounds like you expected some sort of classic here.
comparing anything on this to "Lose Yourself"? you openly admit you like Encore, but NOTHING on that album, not even anything on The Eminem Show compares to "Lose Yourself"; that's arguably one of his best songs; one of raps best songs.
"Beautiful" is probably better than everything on Encore too.
i agree the Proof tribute track is just weak; i'm very upset i waited years on that.
but other than that, your entire argument against the album is something you can't even physically prove or evaluate, "it's soulless/i can't feel it".
i can understand if you don't like the singing or the aggressive flow, but to say there is no heart in the music, that's purely a personal thing.
& it seems like the other half of complaints (not you Action!) for this album are getting back to what Luna touched on, the lack of Dr. Dre; i honestly feel if the beats were identical to what they are now & it was said that they were all produced by Dre & Dre took "another approach" & experimented with some sounds, the hate on the production & the overall album would be gone.
BiggBoogaBiff:
how y'all keep reading everybody's shit on here i'll never understand.
Nooc210:
--- Quote from: LaMilton Taeshawn on June 08, 2010, 08:46:12 PM ---how y'all keep reading everybody's shit on here i'll never understand.
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dude plz gtfo!!!
TDOT:
--- Quote from: LyRiCaL_G on June 08, 2010, 08:20:37 PM ---
--- Quote from: Shopping Carts on June 08, 2010, 09:05:12 AM ---
--- Quote from: LyRiCaL_G on June 08, 2010, 08:52:11 AM ---On a side note, dres production on eminems first two albums was brilliant, agree though ever since eminem show, dres work with eminem has not been great at all.
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Really? You didn't like Relapse's production? That had to have been one of the best produced rap albums of the decade! Just the way it was so theatrically/dark sounding, all flowing together and just plain sounded miles ahead of everything else to me. And THAT is Dre's new sound by the way, for anyone thinking he's still on all that piano/strings shit.
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No sir relapse is not even one of the better produced cds to come out of aftermath and its affiliates camp. I really never understood how some hardcore eminem fans come to that conclusion. I never EVER hear anyone praise the production of relapse past a few people who aint heard nothing past an aftermath shady cd and really, its not even close to the best shit produced in the last decade. NOT EVEN CLOSE. Thats almost an insult to some of the greater shit produced this decade.
The production on relapse is solid, pretty much all the way through and its clean, noone doubts dre as a mixer but the beats on relapse, is just dre remaking beats his done before just either not as good because its been done before. Some of the better production on there like stay wide awake sounds like something that would come out of the obie trice debut/gunit era and before anyone says im hating on it, i loved the beat to stay wide awake. But its not some of the better shit of the decade when dre done did better himself many times over the decade. even other beats like insane, the final joint etc...thats shit he done tried with stat quo already. The production is decent on relapse but the album is garbage and if it was so strong it'd hold the album up still to look pretty decent but it cant even do that. That how i see it anyway. :) Ima huge dre fan by the way but im critical without bias when it comes to any cat.
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I see where your coming from and I can respect that, but you gotta keep in mind, I was talking about the production as A WHOLE. There's not really any single track (although an argument could be made for Underground/Deja Vu/Stay Wide Awake) that was just THE SHIT and killed everything out there, it was the production from track 1 to the end, including the skits. It was like, when I was done with that CD, while it did suck because of Em, I was completely blown away by the production. For me, it's hard to name a CD in recent memory with production that I liked that much, and i've heard every major (and most non-major) albums from the past 5 years at least. It seems like every time Dre is the exec. of a cd it is classic or near (and supposeldy he was for this). But leave it to Dre and his team to come up with some crazy shit as usual,my only issue is why he had such little involvment with the actual album here (not talking behind the scenes, executive work). And NO i'm not a biased Dre fan by any means, I do tell it like it is, for example I like the Dre track on here, but really, it's nothing special at all. If, however, it WAS on Relapse, it probably would have fit in perfectly. And it probably was for Relapse 2, meaning Dre had little to no involvement in the creation of this...or did he? Who knows, I guess not.
Now, in terms of the production on this album. After a few listens, I like it more. I take back what I said about Just Blaze & Khalil
s production earlier. Cold Wind Blows is probably my favorite beat, with some of those Khalil ones (track 2 and another one) close up there. I guess when your a producer (I started this past year) you start to understand how hard these beats are actually to make and you gain a HUGE amount of respect for these guys, even the shittiest beats on here are pretty damn good in terms of skill-level.
EDIT - After seeing that pic...Dre was the exec...holy shit!! I don't know though, still seems odd that he would work on something like this, I guess he didn't have that much involvment (see 50 Cent's Curtis), but still, wasn't expecting that at all!
BiggBoogaBiff:
--- Quote from: Nooc210 on June 08, 2010, 08:51:46 PM ---
--- Quote from: LaMilton Taeshawn on June 08, 2010, 08:46:12 PM ---how y'all keep reading everybody's shit on here i'll never understand.
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dude plz gtfo!!!
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No bcuz it's not that serious. it's just music. we've ALL heard 10000000 Eminem tracks b4 it's nothing new. Son is either rapping about being depressed, popping pills, Kim, or sticking his dick in a faggots asshole. wow.... ::) let's make 100 pages about it from the same six people.
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