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The real question is, who would you like to take the last shot?Vince Carter of Kobe Bryant?
Quote from: Meho on July 30, 2010, 05:50:11 AMYeah these clutch stats don't really matter. All you have to do is ask yourself, if you were a coach, who would you like on your team ? I'd pick Lebron in the regular season and Kobe in the play offs. lol they completely matter. The media does a good job of building up some of these guys and fans do the same. But if you are a coach, and you have one guy who shoots .250 on game winning shots....and another guy shoots .400....which guy would you rather have take the shot? Of course the coaches a lot of time put the ball in the superstars hands, but they are under a lot of pressure to do so. From fans...the franchise....the media. When your star player misses a game winner....oh well, he missed it. If the coach gives to another player...but maybe even a better option, and HE misses...the coach gets killed.
Yeah these clutch stats don't really matter. All you have to do is ask yourself, if you were a coach, who would you like on your team ? I'd pick Lebron in the regular season and Kobe in the play offs.
man if labron is suppose to be so good why he went and ran under d-wade's skirt? you labron bill waltons are probably cowards just like him, y'all would do anything for a win,and to damn afraid to lead a squad or anything on your own, if you equals was singers and rappers you'd probably feel you need a kanye or a dr dre to make you hot fucc'n lames,grow some nuts muthafuccas, or suffer from cryptorchidism like labron (fucc spelling his name right) yell
You're arguing about who has the most game winners, when surely if we're talking real "clutch" situations (hate that word btw, it just means good under pressure) you should be finding out who has the most PLAYOFF game winners. I'm pretty sure that would be Kobe, without looking at any figures of course. Also, correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Lebron brick once or twice both in his performance and in helping his teammates get in the game versus the Celtics in the playoffs?
Quote from: 13th Duke on July 30, 2010, 06:09:48 PMYou're arguing about who has the most game winners, when surely if we're talking real "clutch" situations (hate that word btw, it just means good under pressure) you should be finding out who has the most PLAYOFF game winners. I'm pretty sure that would be Kobe, without looking at any figures of course. Also, correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Lebron brick once or twice both in his performance and in helping his teammates get in the game versus the Celtics in the playoffs?Kobe fans like to use Kobe's clutchness as a basis for their argument. Game winners being ONE of the arguing points they used. If you check out my post in the other thread, I completely laid that myth to rest. Not just measuring game winners (where Kobe doesnt excell and is actually shooting BELOW the league average). All the way to measuring actual clutch minutes in a game. Which would be defined by the last 5 minutes of games where neither team is ahead by more than 5 points. Overtime included. Kobe looks very unimpressive when you actually look at the stats. Its simple, he just starts shooting way more during the clutch...but his shooting percentage is not good, and not even good compared to other NBA players. Not to mention Lebron outperforms him in the "clutch" in other key statistical categories like rebounds, assists, etc. As I said, the Lakers best go to guy (according to actual statistics and not just what we want to believe) is Gasol.
Quote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on July 30, 2010, 06:23:53 PMQuote from: 13th Duke on July 30, 2010, 06:09:48 PMYou're arguing about who has the most game winners, when surely if we're talking real "clutch" situations (hate that word btw, it just means good under pressure) you should be finding out who has the most PLAYOFF game winners. I'm pretty sure that would be Kobe, without looking at any figures of course. Also, correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Lebron brick once or twice both in his performance and in helping his teammates get in the game versus the Celtics in the playoffs?Kobe fans like to use Kobe's clutchness as a basis for their argument. Game winners being ONE of the arguing points they used. If you check out my post in the other thread, I completely laid that myth to rest. Not just measuring game winners (where Kobe doesnt excell and is actually shooting BELOW the league average). All the way to measuring actual clutch minutes in a game. Which would be defined by the last 5 minutes of games where neither team is ahead by more than 5 points. Overtime included. Kobe looks very unimpressive when you actually look at the stats. Its simple, he just starts shooting way more during the clutch...but his shooting percentage is not good, and not even good compared to other NBA players. Not to mention Lebron outperforms him in the "clutch" in other key statistical categories like rebounds, assists, etc. As I said, the Lakers best go to guy (according to actual statistics and not just what we want to believe) is Gasol.None of this is relevant to what I said. I don't care about what Kobe's statistics are, what this thread is about is Kobe vs Lebron. Lebron, right now, has nothing to even compete on the same level as Kobe. Not even statistically. I'd say winning the NBA Finals is pretty much the only statistic that matters.I'm not a Kobe fan. In fact I really don't like the guy. And I'm also not a Lebron fan. I think the whole "Lebron's Decision" thing was a disgusting affair which embarrassed his former team that gave him everything they had and said "we're counting on you". He chose, rather than just leave normally and say "Hey Cleveland thanks for the memories but I need to move on", to make that decision without even informing his own team leaving them in the lurch and more than likely hardly even in the playoffs for years to come. He should be ashamed of himself for that. I'm not going to get into this Kobe vs Lebron argument as I'm neither a Lakers fan or a Heat fan, but I will say that right now, from a neutral point of view, Lebron has years and years of hard work before he can even compare to Kobe.
Quote from: 13th Duke on July 30, 2010, 06:36:34 PMQuote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on July 30, 2010, 06:23:53 PMQuote from: 13th Duke on July 30, 2010, 06:09:48 PMYou're arguing about who has the most game winners, when surely if we're talking real "clutch" situations (hate that word btw, it just means good under pressure) you should be finding out who has the most PLAYOFF game winners. I'm pretty sure that would be Kobe, without looking at any figures of course. Also, correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Lebron brick once or twice both in his performance and in helping his teammates get in the game versus the Celtics in the playoffs?Kobe fans like to use Kobe's clutchness as a basis for their argument. Game winners being ONE of the arguing points they used. If you check out my post in the other thread, I completely laid that myth to rest. Not just measuring game winners (where Kobe doesnt excell and is actually shooting BELOW the league average). All the way to measuring actual clutch minutes in a game. Which would be defined by the last 5 minutes of games where neither team is ahead by more than 5 points. Overtime included. Kobe looks very unimpressive when you actually look at the stats. Its simple, he just starts shooting way more during the clutch...but his shooting percentage is not good, and not even good compared to other NBA players. Not to mention Lebron outperforms him in the "clutch" in other key statistical categories like rebounds, assists, etc. As I said, the Lakers best go to guy (according to actual statistics and not just what we want to believe) is Gasol.None of this is relevant to what I said. I don't care about what Kobe's statistics are, what this thread is about is Kobe vs Lebron. Lebron, right now, has nothing to even compete on the same level as Kobe. Not even statistically. I'd say winning the NBA Finals is pretty much the only statistic that matters.I'm not a Kobe fan. In fact I really don't like the guy. And I'm also not a Lebron fan. I think the whole "Lebron's Decision" thing was a disgusting affair which embarrassed his former team that gave him everything they had and said "we're counting on you". He chose, rather than just leave normally and say "Hey Cleveland thanks for the memories but I need to move on", to make that decision without even informing his own team leaving them in the lurch and more than likely hardly even in the playoffs for years to come. He should be ashamed of himself for that. I'm not going to get into this Kobe vs Lebron argument as I'm neither a Lakers fan or a Heat fan, but I will say that right now, from a neutral point of view, Lebron has years and years of hard work before he can even compare to Kobe.Oh, and no I didnt like the whole hour long sideshow to announce where Lebron was going either. I dont fault him for leaving though. I dont even fault him for not informing the team beforehand. None of us know what was going on there. And clearly, by Dan Gilberts actions, something could have been going on behind closed doors. The Cavs owner, in his attempt to make Lebron look bad, really made HIMself look like a classless piece of shit. So who knows what went on between him and Lebron.