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=However, its also pretty hard to argue against MJ>Kobe, considering MJ was 6 for 6 in titles, won 6 finals MVPs, averaged more points, rebounds, assists, steals, blocks, AND played in an era where there was no handchecking called. Furthermore, post players were bigger, and were allowed to stand in the key as long as they wanted on defense.
Quote from: teecee on August 11, 2010, 09:09:52 AM=However, its also pretty hard to argue against MJ>Kobe, considering MJ was 6 for 6 in titles, won 6 finals MVPs, averaged more points, rebounds, assists, steals, blocks, AND played in an era where there was no handchecking called. Furthermore, post players were bigger, and were allowed to stand in the key as long as they wanted on defense. Lets also not forget that MJ was also in an era with way less athleticism, where zone defense didn't exist, where the game was much slower, and where he never won over a defense like the Boston Celtics of this year...I mean, MJ's biggest competition on the perimeter was an aging Clyde Drexler LOL....as for the stats, MJ also averaged way more field goal and free throw ATTEMPTS than Kobe, so lets throw stats out this argument once and for all, because LeBron averages more rebounds, assists, and blocks on his career than MJ, and even has a better 3 point fg percentage, as well! . To say Kobe doesn't have a chance based on that is not only wrong, but a slap in the face to true basketball purists.......so lets sit tight and wait for the final outcome.
Quote from: NIKCC on August 11, 2010, 03:15:42 PMQuote from: teecee on August 11, 2010, 09:09:52 AM=However, its also pretty hard to argue against MJ>Kobe, considering MJ was 6 for 6 in titles, won 6 finals MVPs, averaged more points, rebounds, assists, steals, blocks, AND played in an era where there was no handchecking called. Furthermore, post players were bigger, and were allowed to stand in the key as long as they wanted on defense. Lets also not forget that MJ was also in an era with way less athleticism, where zone defense didn't exist, where the game was much slower, and where he never won over a defense like the Boston Celtics of this year...I mean, MJ's biggest competition on the perimeter was an aging Clyde Drexler LOL....as for the stats, MJ also averaged way more field goal and free throw ATTEMPTS than Kobe, so lets throw stats out this argument once and for all, because LeBron averages more rebounds, assists, and blocks on his career than MJ, and even has a better 3 point fg percentage, as well! . To say Kobe doesn't have a chance based on that is not only wrong, but a slap in the face to true basketball purists.......so lets sit tight and wait for the final outcome.Pistons defense was brutal and physical, so was the Knicks. The Celtics are old as shit and their best defensive post player didn't even finish the series this year. They WERE great in 2008 thoughExactly, lets sit and wait. Props on that.DidMJ really average more FG attempts than Kobe? Even if this is the case, his FG percentage is much better. Throw stats out the window and its gonna be REALLY hard for Kobe to catch MJ; in fact, the STAT that many Kobe fans often use is that he scored 81 in a game...like this alone could mean he is better than MJ
Quote from: teecee on August 11, 2010, 07:50:57 PMQuote from: NIKCC on August 11, 2010, 03:15:42 PMQuote from: teecee on August 11, 2010, 09:09:52 AM=However, its also pretty hard to argue against MJ>Kobe, considering MJ was 6 for 6 in titles, won 6 finals MVPs, averaged more points, rebounds, assists, steals, blocks, AND played in an era where there was no handchecking called. Furthermore, post players were bigger, and were allowed to stand in the key as long as they wanted on defense. Lets also not forget that MJ was also in an era with way less athleticism, where zone defense didn't exist, where the game was much slower, and where he never won over a defense like the Boston Celtics of this year...I mean, MJ's biggest competition on the perimeter was an aging Clyde Drexler LOL....as for the stats, MJ also averaged way more field goal and free throw ATTEMPTS than Kobe, so lets throw stats out this argument once and for all, because LeBron averages more rebounds, assists, and blocks on his career than MJ, and even has a better 3 point fg percentage, as well! . To say Kobe doesn't have a chance based on that is not only wrong, but a slap in the face to true basketball purists.......so lets sit tight and wait for the final outcome.Pistons defense was brutal and physical, so was the Knicks. The Celtics are old as shit and their best defensive post player didn't even finish the series this year. They WERE great in 2008 thoughExactly, lets sit and wait. Props on that.DidMJ really average more FG attempts than Kobe? Even if this is the case, his FG percentage is much better. Throw stats out the window and its gonna be REALLY hard for Kobe to catch MJ; in fact, the STAT that many Kobe fans often use is that he scored 81 in a game...like this alone could mean he is better than MJ Detroit's defense WAS brutal, which is why MJ couldn't defeat the Pistons when they were in their prime. And yea, MJ averages 23 field goal attempts on his career to Kobe's 19, as well as 38 minutes on his career to Kobe's 36, so take THAT into consideration when adding your little stats...another argument one could make for Kobe is that he has won these last two titles with less than what Jordan won with. Pippen is on another level than anyone Kobe had on these last two championship teams, so if Kobe playing with Shaq for the first three titles factors in, then Kobe playing without a Pippen for the last two should as well...either way, lets wait and enjoy, and resume the discussions when it's all said and done.
Quote from: NIKCC on August 09, 2010, 03:27:12 PMQuote from: Chamillitary Click on August 07, 2010, 07:52:35 PMThe fact Gasol & Jamison are being compared as similar players automatically makes this thread & it's arguments a joke lol.idiot, they were both franchise players and nightly double-double threats for their teams before they were traded...in fact, Jamison made 2 all-star teams to Gasol's 1...that's where the comparison ends, though, because Kobe elevated Gasol's game, while LeBron killed Jamison's...if you don't see that, which you probably don't, I can't say i'm surprised.For a man who played college ball, you say some stupid shit; although, you're biased, so I guess that's natural.
Quote from: Chamillitary Click on August 07, 2010, 07:52:35 PMThe fact Gasol & Jamison are being compared as similar players automatically makes this thread & it's arguments a joke lol.idiot, they were both franchise players and nightly double-double threats for their teams before they were traded...in fact, Jamison made 2 all-star teams to Gasol's 1...that's where the comparison ends, though, because Kobe elevated Gasol's game, while LeBron killed Jamison's...if you don't see that, which you probably don't, I can't say i'm surprised.
The fact Gasol & Jamison are being compared as similar players automatically makes this thread & it's arguments a joke lol.
Quote from: NIKCC on August 12, 2010, 01:56:02 AMQuote from: teecee on August 11, 2010, 07:50:57 PMQuote from: NIKCC on August 11, 2010, 03:15:42 PMQuote from: teecee on August 11, 2010, 09:09:52 AM=However, its also pretty hard to argue against MJ>Kobe, considering MJ was 6 for 6 in titles, won 6 finals MVPs, averaged more points, rebounds, assists, steals, blocks, AND played in an era where there was no handchecking called. Furthermore, post players were bigger, and were allowed to stand in the key as long as they wanted on defense. Lets also not forget that MJ was also in an era with way less athleticism, where zone defense didn't exist, where the game was much slower, and where he never won over a defense like the Boston Celtics of this year...I mean, MJ's biggest competition on the perimeter was an aging Clyde Drexler LOL....as for the stats, MJ also averaged way more field goal and free throw ATTEMPTS than Kobe, so lets throw stats out this argument once and for all, because LeBron averages more rebounds, assists, and blocks on his career than MJ, and even has a better 3 point fg percentage, as well! . To say Kobe doesn't have a chance based on that is not only wrong, but a slap in the face to true basketball purists.......so lets sit tight and wait for the final outcome.Pistons defense was brutal and physical, so was the Knicks. The Celtics are old as shit and their best defensive post player didn't even finish the series this year. They WERE great in 2008 thoughExactly, lets sit and wait. Props on that.DidMJ really average more FG attempts than Kobe? Even if this is the case, his FG percentage is much better. Throw stats out the window and its gonna be REALLY hard for Kobe to catch MJ; in fact, the STAT that many Kobe fans often use is that he scored 81 in a game...like this alone could mean he is better than MJ Detroit's defense WAS brutal, which is why MJ couldn't defeat the Pistons when they were in their prime. And yea, MJ averages 23 field goal attempts on his career to Kobe's 19, as well as 38 minutes on his career to Kobe's 36, so take THAT into consideration when adding your little stats...another argument one could make for Kobe is that he has won these last two titles with less than what Jordan won with. Pippen is on another level than anyone Kobe had on these last two championship teams, so if Kobe playing with Shaq for the first three titles factors in, then Kobe playing without a Pippen for the last two should as well...either way, lets wait and enjoy, and resume the discussions when it's all said and done. Take a look again at the rosters on MJ's teams? Who were his scoring posts??? Kobe has Gasol, Bynum, and Odom. All three are better than Ho Grant, and we both know how one dimensional ROdman was(although he was effective).Also, I wonder what would happen if you threw out Kobe's first few seasons, like even the first two. How many FG attempts then? Regardless, FG attempts are only relevant in comparison to FG %.What did MJ shoot in his 37 PPG season? What did Kobe shoot in his 35PPG season? And of course, when comparing the two, I think its best we leave out the playoffs, ESPECIALLY finals series.
Quote from: NIKCC on August 12, 2010, 01:56:02 AMQuote from: teecee on August 11, 2010, 07:50:57 PMQuote from: NIKCC on August 11, 2010, 03:15:42 PMQuote from: teecee on August 11, 2010, 09:09:52 AM=However, its also pretty hard to argue against MJ>Kobe, considering MJ was 6 for 6 in titles, won 6 finals MVPs, averaged more points, rebounds, assists, steals, blocks, AND played in an era where there was no handchecking called. Furthermore, post players were bigger, and were allowed to stand in the key as long as they wanted on defense. Lets also not forget that MJ was also in an era with way less athleticism, where zone defense didn't exist, where the game was much slower, and where he never won over a defense like the Boston Celtics of this year...I mean, MJ's biggest competition on the perimeter was an aging Clyde Drexler LOL....as for the stats, MJ also averaged way more field goal and free throw ATTEMPTS than Kobe, so lets throw stats out this argument once and for all, because LeBron averages more rebounds, assists, and blocks on his career than MJ, and even has a better 3 point fg percentage, as well! . To say Kobe doesn't have a chance based on that is not only wrong, but a slap in the face to true basketball purists.......so lets sit tight and wait for the final outcome.Pistons defense was brutal and physical, so was the Knicks. The Celtics are old as shit and their best defensive post player didn't even finish the series this year. They WERE great in 2008 thoughExactly, lets sit and wait. Props on that.DidMJ really average more FG attempts than Kobe? Even if this is the case, his FG percentage is much better. Throw stats out the window and its gonna be REALLY hard for Kobe to catch MJ; in fact, the STAT that many Kobe fans often use is that he scored 81 in a game...like this alone could mean he is better than MJ Detroit's defense WAS brutal, which is why MJ couldn't defeat the Pistons when they were in their prime. And yea, MJ averages 23 field goal attempts on his career to Kobe's 19, as well as 38 minutes on his career to Kobe's 36, so take THAT into consideration when adding your little stats...another argument one could make for Kobe is that he has won these last two titles with less than what Jordan won with. Pippen is on another level than anyone Kobe had on these last two championship teams, so if Kobe playing with Shaq for the first three titles factors in, then Kobe playing without a Pippen for the last two should as well...either way, lets wait and enjoy, and resume the discussions when it's all said and done. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL, STFU! Jordan had Pippen & Rodman. Kobe had Gasol, Artest, Odom, Bynum, Fisher. Honestly, this years team would have a strong chance to beat the 3-peat team & if there wasn't an on-going argument of MJ vs. Kobe & LeBron vs. Kobe you'd be the first motherfucker to admit that this years team could easily play with, if not beat the 3-peat team; but since you have to make a point that Kobe has "no one", you belittle the current team; fucking pathetic.& we would "sit back & enjoy" if you didn't make a thread or post (forgot) roughly a year ago saying "I'm convinced Kobe > MJ".
Quote from: NIKCC on August 11, 2010, 03:15:42 PMQuote from: teecee on August 11, 2010, 09:09:52 AM=However, its also pretty hard to argue against MJ>Kobe, considering MJ was 6 for 6 in titles, won 6 finals MVPs, averaged more points, rebounds, assists, steals, blocks, AND played in an era where there was no handchecking called. Furthermore, post players were bigger, and were allowed to stand in the key as long as they wanted on defense. Lets also not forget that MJ was also in an era with way less athleticism, where zone defense didn't exist, where the game was much slower, and where he never won over a defense like the Boston Celtics of this year...I mean, MJ's biggest competition on the perimeter was an aging Clyde Drexler LOL....as for the stats, MJ also averaged way more field goal and free throw ATTEMPTS than Kobe, so lets throw stats out this argument once and for all, because LeBron averages more rebounds, assists, and blocks on his career than MJ, and even has a better 3 point fg percentage, as well! . To say Kobe doesn't have a chance based on that is not only wrong, but a slap in the face to true basketball purists.......so lets sit tight and wait for the final outcome.lol Jordan played in an era where the defenses were actually better for the most part lol. The thing is, most of those defenses were in his own conference. So his defensive hurdles were in the playoffs, not the finals. Those Knicks teams he played against would hurt this Celtics team...who were just as good as the Lakers this last year. Oakley, Mason, Ewing lol. Cmon. The rules over the years have been changed to HELP offense, we all know that. Its the same in damn near every sport since offense gets ratings. The league doesnt like to do too much to give us more defensive battles, they want 120-119 games. The league likes having teams play zone defense because it forces offenses to have better ball movement to score, and more three pointers. More three point shooting leads to more fast breaks, and higher scores. The league doesnt want a ton of scoring in the paint unless its dunk. This is why we see less and less "back to the basket" bigmen and more faceup guys. The zone makes playing with your back to the basket as a bigman more difficult. Basically, the zones help create a more uptempo game and benefit perimeter guys...and we all know the league LOVES to promote perimeter guys.
Quote from: Chamillitary Click on August 12, 2010, 11:47:25 AMQuote from: NIKCC on August 12, 2010, 01:56:02 AMQuote from: teecee on August 11, 2010, 07:50:57 PMQuote from: NIKCC on August 11, 2010, 03:15:42 PMQuote from: teecee on August 11, 2010, 09:09:52 AM=However, its also pretty hard to argue against MJ>Kobe, considering MJ was 6 for 6 in titles, won 6 finals MVPs, averaged more points, rebounds, assists, steals, blocks, AND played in an era where there was no handchecking called. Furthermore, post players were bigger, and were allowed to stand in the key as long as they wanted on defense. Lets also not forget that MJ was also in an era with way less athleticism, where zone defense didn't exist, where the game was much slower, and where he never won over a defense like the Boston Celtics of this year...I mean, MJ's biggest competition on the perimeter was an aging Clyde Drexler LOL....as for the stats, MJ also averaged way more field goal and free throw ATTEMPTS than Kobe, so lets throw stats out this argument once and for all, because LeBron averages more rebounds, assists, and blocks on his career than MJ, and even has a better 3 point fg percentage, as well! . To say Kobe doesn't have a chance based on that is not only wrong, but a slap in the face to true basketball purists.......so lets sit tight and wait for the final outcome.Pistons defense was brutal and physical, so was the Knicks. The Celtics are old as shit and their best defensive post player didn't even finish the series this year. They WERE great in 2008 thoughExactly, lets sit and wait. Props on that.DidMJ really average more FG attempts than Kobe? Even if this is the case, his FG percentage is much better. Throw stats out the window and its gonna be REALLY hard for Kobe to catch MJ; in fact, the STAT that many Kobe fans often use is that he scored 81 in a game...like this alone could mean he is better than MJ Detroit's defense WAS brutal, which is why MJ couldn't defeat the Pistons when they were in their prime. And yea, MJ averages 23 field goal attempts on his career to Kobe's 19, as well as 38 minutes on his career to Kobe's 36, so take THAT into consideration when adding your little stats...another argument one could make for Kobe is that he has won these last two titles with less than what Jordan won with. Pippen is on another level than anyone Kobe had on these last two championship teams, so if Kobe playing with Shaq for the first three titles factors in, then Kobe playing without a Pippen for the last two should as well...either way, lets wait and enjoy, and resume the discussions when it's all said and done. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL, STFU! Jordan had Pippen & Rodman. Kobe had Gasol, Artest, Odom, Bynum, Fisher. Honestly, this years team would have a strong chance to beat the 3-peat team & if there wasn't an on-going argument of MJ vs. Kobe & LeBron vs. Kobe you'd be the first motherfucker to admit that this years team could easily play with, if not beat the 3-peat team; but since you have to make a point that Kobe has "no one", you belittle the current team; fucking pathetic.& we would "sit back & enjoy" if you didn't make a thread or post (forgot) roughly a year ago saying "I'm convinced Kobe > MJ". So the Lakers team of the last two years would beat the threepeat Bulls?...In that case, there's no way Kobe isn't better than Jordan. LOL.