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Wyclef Running For Haiti's Presendency
M Dogg™:
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--- Quote from: M Dogg on August 01, 2010, 07:52:50 AM ---Jean-Bertrand Aristide is getting shitted on again. Wyclef should be trying to support bringing this man back into his country. The military over threw him once, and Bush Jr.the second and his never allowed to return to his country. He was a Catholic priest and he tried so hard to rebuild Haiti, but he pissed off the elite and they paid for the military to get rid of him. Wyclef should be trying to restore Aristide to power, not filling his ego.
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Needless to say that the Haitian elite, the US government and the IMF had their hand into this. But Aristide turned out nothing better than any other despot, relying on intimidation and death squads. And of course he came back, he had a second term in office. Overall, it's a difficult topic. I found this http://www.lrb.co.uk/v26/n08/paul-farmer/who-removed-aristide article which I think is worth reading, as well as the letters to it.
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Explain to me when Aristide had death squads in his first term, since it only lasted 7 months!! I mean, if his using intimidation to stay in power, it failed bad. On the subject of that article, you said I should read it, and when I did I get a one sided argument that never said anything on death squads. It talks about left wing politics and how the middle class and elite hate him, which is true. But in a democracy, you have to do for the majority, and the majority is poor. Wyclef is already came out again Aristide in the past, saying he should be removed because hundreds of thousands listen to Aristide's every word and Aristide did not tell them to stop protesting when they removed him. Wyclef is the establishment's new puppet to get the people to forget about Aristide, and it might work, and with extra US help it might make people forget. But in reality, the democratically elected leader should be established in his country, or at the very least allowed to return to help with the recovery. You claim intimidation and death squads, but none were ever found or use. In reality Aristide talked against them during the Baby Doc reign, and within months, not years, Aristide was gone. Wyclef is a puppet, and it's sickening to see it happen like this.
Fraxxx:
--- Quote from: M Dogg on August 02, 2010, 11:24:36 AM ---
--- Quote from: Fraxxx on August 02, 2010, 10:28:04 AM ---
--- Quote from: M Dogg on August 01, 2010, 07:52:50 AM ---Jean-Bertrand Aristide is getting shitted on again. Wyclef should be trying to support bringing this man back into his country. The military over threw him once, and Bush Jr.the second and his never allowed to return to his country. He was a Catholic priest and he tried so hard to rebuild Haiti, but he pissed off the elite and they paid for the military to get rid of him. Wyclef should be trying to restore Aristide to power, not filling his ego.
--- End quote ---
Needless to say that the Haitian elite, the US government and the IMF had their hand into this. But Aristide turned out nothing better than any other despot, relying on intimidation and death squads. And of course he came back, he had a second term in office. Overall, it's a difficult topic. I found this http://www.lrb.co.uk/v26/n08/paul-farmer/who-removed-aristide article which I think is worth reading, as well as the letters to it.
--- End quote ---
Explain to me when Aristide had death squads in his first term, since it only lasted 7 months!! I mean, if his using intimidation to stay in power, it failed bad. On the subject of that article, you said I should read it, and when I did I get a one sided argument that never said anything on death squads. It talks about left wing politics and how the middle class and elite hate him, which is true. But in a democracy, you have to do for the majority, and the majority is poor. Wyclef is already came out again Aristide in the past, saying he should be removed because hundreds of thousands listen to Aristide's every word and Aristide did not tell them to stop protesting when they removed him. Wyclef is the establishment's new puppet to get the people to forget about Aristide, and it might work, and with extra US help it might make people forget. But in reality, the democratically elected leader should be established in his country, or at the very least allowed to return to help with the recovery. You claim intimidation and death squads, but none were ever found or use. In reality Aristide talked against them during the Baby Doc reign, and within months, not years, Aristide was gone. Wyclef is a puppet, and it's sickening to see it happen like this.
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My bad, regarding the death squads, I meant his second term but didn't make it clear. I read about this more than once, not even mainstream media and I don't think it's too far-fetched.
As for Wyclef, I don't know, Didn't read much on the topic until now. What makes you think he's the establishment's puppet other than expressing an opinion in the past that is not yours or mine?
LONDON!!:
yeah thats crazy, m dogg, you really think clef is an establishment puppet, when the establishment started hating on him by spreading misinformation through the media because his charity won't play the western establishment politricks charity 'game'
M Dogg™:
From what I've seen, and talk to from people on the ground in Haiti during the Aristide over throwing, these death squads were none existance, even in the second term. He used more strong arm tactics in the second term to protect his presidency, but he never had death squads. My sources come from people in Haiti during this time, I talked to people who were covering the Haiti rebellion, and were filming a documentry, Haiti and the Endless Revolution. They said that when the news showed the 2,000 protesting to over throw Aristide, that behide them was over 200,000 protesting to keep Aristide in power.
Is Wyclef a puppet, think about this, when any politican looks for a Hip-Hop artist to say, hey, I listen to hip-hop, they all say Wyclef. From John Kerry to Bill Clinton, everyone but Obama says Wyclef. On top of that, isn't it weird that now out of no where, Wyclef wants to run Haiti when he hasn't lived in Haiti. Now that Haiti is weakened, now that Haiti is desperate, Wyclef wants to run it. Of course he has no governing experience and he can't even run his charities, BUT he now wants to run his former home country. Unless he knows he has help, he wouldn't and shouldn't do it. Wyclef is up to something, as the establishment's favorite Hip-Hop artist is now ready to lead a country. This has puppet written all over it.
http://sfbayview.com/2010/wyclef-jean-for-president-of-haiti-look-beyond-the-hype/
Arkan al-Turani:
Best of luck to him, he just might need it.
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