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Wyclef Running For Haiti's Presendency
LONDON!!:
--- Quote from: M Dogg on August 02, 2010, 02:51:11 PM ---From what I've seen, and talk to from people on the ground in Haiti during the Aristide over throwing, these death squads were none existance, even in the second term. He used more strong arm tactics in the second term to protect his presidency, but he never had death squads. My sources come from people in Haiti during this time, I talked to people who were covering the Haiti rebellion, and were filming a documentry, Haiti and the Endless Revolution. They said that when the news showed the 2,000 protesting to over throw Aristide, that behide them was over 200,000 protesting to keep Aristide in power.
Is Wyclef a puppet, think about this, when any politican looks for a Hip-Hop artist to say, hey, I listen to hip-hop, they all say Wyclef. From John Kerry to Bill Clinton, everyone but Obama says Wyclef. On top of that, isn't it weird that now out of no where, Wyclef wants to run Haiti when he hasn't lived in Haiti. Now that Haiti is weakened, now that Haiti is desperate, Wyclef wants to run it. Of course he has no governing experience and he can't even run his charities, BUT he now wants to run his former home country. Unless he knows he has help, he wouldn't and shouldn't do it. Wyclef is up to something, as the establishment's favorite Hip-Hop artist is now ready to lead a country. This has puppet written all over it.
http://sfbayview.com/2010/wyclef-jean-for-president-of-haiti-look-beyond-the-hype/
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i think your reading too much into certain things and mixing certain shit up fam
bill clinton & obama are both part of the system, they have both made there whole political career based on conmanship and pimping certain communities to look cool to get votes
bill clinton gave a pardon to a scientist called robert gallo(who worked on the US goverment's Special Cancer Virus Program that produced the AIDS virus in the 70's) from prosecution for making the AIDS virus after Boyd Graves took the US goverment to court for the creation of AIDS in 1998, plus clinton's is alledgedly the illegitimate child of one of the rockefellers
obama was on the council of foreign relations, you can't get anymore system representative than that, plus he got the same bloodlines as most system mudda fockers and he has shares in a pharmecuetical company that has a history of eugenics going back to the 40's amongst other things
john kerry is just a shook mainstream politician that dosen't want to go against the system and likes to beat around the bush and let the status quo remain because he's weak, the senate hearings on the contra/iran arms affair in the 80's and his dilly dallying on standing up for his values, back peddling to look so called harder to get votes, compromising his values over that vietnam atrocities shit has shown this
what these politicians listen to or champion in music does not have a bearing on reality when it comes to who they think is a puppet, clef just rolls in those type of circles, because of his charity work
its because of his genuine charity work and not playing the charity politricks 'game' that the system switched on him and started putting out misinformation throught the media, he has genunie love for brothers and sisters over there and thats why he was out there on the frontlines helping our people through the earthquake and seeing all the system instigated redtape and politricks that he decided to run for president
clef is in the endz(hoods), everywhere he goes, he shows that love, from the hoods of the US, to london, to ghana, to ja, he shows that love, truss me on that, clef ain't a puppet, no he ain't fam
M Dogg™:
I'm not just talking about what music politicians listen to. After all, the only reason Obama even said other artist than Wyclef is because he has to show the black community he actually listens to Hip-Hop music, or if he was some white guy he'd just stick to Wyclef like every other politician.
What I'm talking about is how a person who can barely run a charity, who has no governing experience now wants to run a country he hasn't lived in for over 25 years, when that countries at it's weakest. Especially when that country has an exiled ELECTED president in Africa who was overthrown by the countries elite. you claim death squads and intimidation by Aristide, but that has been unfound, even in the second term. If and no true reliable source has mentioned death squads, but if he did try intimidation because he was fearful of being overthrown again, well it didn't work. Since 2004, Haiti has been until under ring wing military control, don't let those elections fool you. The majority of the people are for the Lavalas party, which has been excluded from elections since Aristide being overthrown. That's like not allowing the Democrats or Republicans to run for office.
My beef with Wyclef is that he should be trying to political stability, he should be asking for Aristide to return, and the leaders of Haiti to come together. Instead, with no governing experience, he wants to run the country. Wyclef is as qualified to be president as I am. He has celebrity that others in the world will like, and that's it. He will be like the Arnold of presidents, and we all know Arnold is a part of the establishment. Wyclef is showing his no different. It's like Obama, what started out as a truly honest career has turned because they sold out, thinking they can change the system from within. Like Obama though, Wyclef will learn you can't change the system, the system will ultimately use you, and once it's done, crucify you in the press.
LONDON!!:
--- Quote from: M Dogg on August 03, 2010, 09:17:59 AM ---I'm not just talking about what music politicians listen to. After all, the only reason Obama even said other artist than Wyclef is because he has to show the black community he actually listens to Hip-Hop music, or if he was some white guy he'd just stick to Wyclef like every other politician.
What I'm talking about is how a person who can barely run a charity, who has no governing experience now wants to run a country he hasn't lived in for over 25 years, when that countries at it's weakest. Especially when that country has an exiled ELECTED president in Africa who was overthrown by the countries elite. you claim death squads and intimidation by Aristide, but that has been unfound, even in the second term. If and no true reliable source has mentioned death squads, but if he did try intimidation because he was fearful of being overthrown again, well it didn't work. Since 2004, Haiti has been until under ring wing military control, don't let those elections fool you. The majority of the people are for the Lavalas party, which has been excluded from elections since Aristide being overthrown. That's like not allowing the Democrats or Republicans to run for office.
My beef with Wyclef is that he should be trying to political stability, he should be asking for Aristide to return, and the leaders of Haiti to come together. Instead, with no governing experience, he wants to run the country. Wyclef is as qualified to be president as I am. He has celebrity that others in the world will like, and that's it. He will be like the Arnold of presidents, and we all know Arnold is a part of the establishment. Wyclef is showing his no different. It's like Obama, what started out as a truly honest career has turned because they sold out, thinking they can change the system from within. Like Obama though, Wyclef will learn you can't change the system, the system will ultimately use you, and once it's done, crucify you in the press.
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1.our cut an paste sumthin from another website i posted this same thread on, instead of typing the same shit
"the whole qualification bullshit, george w bush went to university, that dosen't take away from the fact that he is a duppy, slow, ignorant piece of shit
its about basic common sense, its not always all about academic qualifications, even if it would be better if he had some in certain regards to certain aspects, but you can be academically bright, but common sense stupid, or have a lot of wisdom and deep wit your shit, but have no academic qualifications, you get what i'm saying, personal experience in life has always shown me this
and i'm not knocking education in anyway, shape, form or fashion, because education is the key to any successful civilazation, truss me on that, thats why the system historically has kept human being community's they don't like, from acheiving academic success, to keep there grips on power so they can carry out there imperialist goals and agenda, you get what i'm saying
clef has the street smarts and common sense to know he's gonna get him an advisor that will advise him on who should go in which position and do what, you see what i'm saying, no political tribal politricks or system puppet master stuff, he has he's own money, no greed and a genuine love for all his and our people over there, yes he does, he's the perfect person for the job in my eyes, thats the way i see it anyway"
2.again fam, your believing the system instigated misinformation fed through the western media about clef's charity organization, they switched on his charity because of the exact reason that clef is authentically, genuinely 100% for our people over there, he isn't into playing the system's charity 'game' politricks, you see what i'm saying
3.obama has been obama from day one, he hasen't sold out at all, he has always been on the side of the system, he has always had a public image of an concilliator, he's not a revolutionary, he ain't a radical, he ain't a civil rights guy, he ain't about progressive change, he's an centrist mainstream politician thats deeply entrenched wit the system, its simple as, he's always rolled like that, he's speeches are just on some conman level because thats what he is, a conman
M Dogg™:
--- Quote from: AH AH AH on August 03, 2010, 01:53:41 PM ---LOL M dogg fucking idiot. Maybe he believe haiti tragedy was caused by elite so wyclef can be president so they control haiti. Dumb faggot ah ah ah
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When the hell did I say the earthquake was caused by elites.
I said that they should bring back the ELECTED president of Haiti, who was thrown out of power by a United States backed military coup.
I said that in the rebuilding, when there are people asking for Aristide's leadership, the elite are instead looking for Wyclef to distract the people.
I said Wyclef has no governing experience so how in the world can he lead a nation in it's worst crisis in it's history, and for Haiti that's saying something.
As for LONDON!, your points
1. THe whole qualifications is not bull shit. Education may not be needed, but at the same time, we are not talking about Jesse Ventura taking over a healthy Minnesota, or a Ronald Reagan, who majored in Economics btw, trying to revive the United States economy, this is Wyclef, a musician, trying to revive Haiti during it's worst crisis it's ever had. Aristide was not experienced either, but he was an outspoken voice behind the alter as a catholic priest during the Duvalier reign. Aristide was on the ground, helping the people, Wyclef has lived in the US, visiting Haiti and giving money, but not getting involved politically.
2. His charity, to his credit, is not as bad as many others. But it was put out there in the media because there was some faultiness going on. The media acts in two ways, all of it for ratings and their bottomline. They either act to get the biggest story, outside of any other "system's" agenda because they know people will watch, then they put out bullshit that's feed to them because it's suppose to be credible news. In this case, Wyclef made for the biggest story outside of any "system". I don't know about the UK, but in the US, the story died fairly quick after it came out, and then every journalist in the mainstream came out defending Wyclef, almost like a cover up.
3. Obama was Obama since day one, now his something else. I know many of people from Chicago, I live in the Mid West and many people from Chicago move out here all the time. Close friends have told me that Obama use to be in the neighborhood all the time, and he was truly genuine about his work. He worked at getting people organized, and advocating for those with no voice. If you heard him talk, he was talking single payer health care, he was talking about modern civil rights, he was talking like a classic liberal. Fast forward to his time as State Senator, his talking the same, but his working to get things passed in a political manner. This becomes his biggest argument to run for senator.
Then, fast forward to 2004, out of no where this little know State Senator who couldn't even win a primary in 2000 is now being talked about as the next president of the United States. I mean, he can't even beat Bobby Rush, there is no way an establishment candidate has that happened to them. Reality, Obama is trying to work out a way that he can make change, but from within the system. Fast forward to 2010, Obama has not made that big change, but a bunch of little changes that go against the system. This is over looked because it's not the change we expected, we wanted more. But for even this little change, Obama is now the Velcro president, everything bad that happens sticks to him in the media. He wouldn't be president after 2012, enjoy your Sarah Palin administration.
LONDON!!:
--- Quote from: M Dogg on August 03, 2010, 07:00:06 PM ---
--- Quote from: AH AH AH on August 03, 2010, 01:53:41 PM ---LOL M dogg fucking idiot. Maybe he believe haiti tragedy was caused by elite so wyclef can be president so they control haiti. Dumb faggot ah ah ah
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When the hell did I say the earthquake was caused by elites.
I said that they should bring back the ELECTED president of Haiti, who was thrown out of power by a United States backed military coup.
I said that in the rebuilding, when there are people asking for Aristide's leadership, the elite are instead looking for Wyclef to distract the people.
I said Wyclef has no governing experience so how in the world can he lead a nation in it's worst crisis in it's history, and for Haiti that's saying something.
As for LONDON!, your points
1. THe whole qualifications is not bull shit. Education may not be needed, but at the same time, we are not talking about Jesse Ventura taking over a healthy Minnesota, or a Ronald Reagan, who majored in Economics btw, trying to revive the United States economy, this is Wyclef, a musician, trying to revive Haiti during it's worst crisis it's ever had. Aristide was not experienced either, but he was an outspoken voice behind the alter as a catholic priest during the Duvalier reign. Aristide was on the ground, helping the people, Wyclef has lived in the US, visiting Haiti and giving money, but not getting involved politically.
2. His charity, to his credit, is not as bad as many others. But it was put out there in the media because there was some faultiness going on. The media acts in two ways, all of it for ratings and their bottomline. They either act to get the biggest story, outside of any other "system's" agenda because they know people will watch, then they put out bullshit that's feed to them because it's suppose to be credible news. In this case, Wyclef made for the biggest story outside of any "system". I don't know about the UK, but in the US, the story died fairly quick after it came out, and then every journalist in the mainstream came out defending Wyclef, almost like a cover up.
3. Obama was Obama since day one, now his something else. I know many of people from Chicago, I live in the Mid West and many people from Chicago move out here all the time. Close friends have told me that Obama use to be in the neighborhood all the time, and he was truly genuine about his work. He worked at getting people organized, and advocating for those with no voice. If you heard him talk, he was talking single payer health care, he was talking about modern civil rights, he was talking like a classic liberal. Fast forward to his time as State Senator, his talking the same, but his working to get things passed in a political manner. This becomes his biggest argument to run for senator.
Then, fast forward to 2004, out of no where this little know State Senator who couldn't even win a primary in 2000 is now being talked about as the next president of the United States. I mean, he can't even beat Bobby Rush, there is no way an establishment candidate has that happened to them. Reality, Obama is trying to work out a way that he can make change, but from within the system. Fast forward to 2010, Obama has not made that big change, but a bunch of little changes that go against the system. This is over looked because it's not the change we expected, we wanted more. But for even this little change, Obama is now the Velcro president, everything bad that happens sticks to him in the media. He wouldn't be president after 2012, enjoy your Sarah Palin administration.
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will just have to agree to disagree fam, because will going around in circles
and i'm by no means an advocate for sarah palin, she's a right wing ignorant duppy fruitcake, yes she is, even though she's not apart of the establishment, she would be another disaster, worse than bush
obama is wholeheartedly apart of the system, he always has been, i mean george w bush has charity's, it what he's movement in power in power that determines what type of person he is and obama's movements is that of a centrist, mainstream establishment politician, entrenced wit the system, wit a public image of an concilliator who makes nice conman speeches, thats obama from day one up until now, nuthin has changed, the trying to provide free healthcare for all issue was only championed by him because his mother died because of his family growing up poor and not being able to get better treatment, if it wern't for that, he wouldn't give two shits about healthcare
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