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Chamillitary Click:
Look at that highlight reel "A" posted. Larry is shooting & passing & throwing a few punches; LeBron is less time, with less accolades probably has a more eye appealing highlight reel; from dunking, to blocking, to stealing.
& shuuuuutup with the rebounding. Larry was 6'10'', correct? LeBron is 6'8'' & can jump five feet off the ground; Larry isn't making up for that. Rebounding is controlled by using your body, which LeBron has EASILY has over Larry & jumping ability, which LeBron also has.
Bottom line, LeBron can out rebound anyone if he tried to; but more times than not, he's looking to lead the break.
Larry Bird would be nothing greater than Dirk in 2010 & I'm not even trying to make it out like Dirk is bad, he's an MVP winning, all-star. Bird's legacy is winning rings in the greatest basketball rivalry ever; legends will be made, but when you strip all the achievements it's a lot different.
--- Quote from: TheRemedy360 on September 05, 2010, 01:00:21 PM ---Different athletes in different eras, but it's obvious that LeBron is nowhere close to Bird in terms of achievements.
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That's probably the best way to sum it up; but if magically there was a draft tomorrow & I could pick any player in his prime & it was my pick & I had the choice of LeBron (who like A said, isn't even in his prime) or Larry, I'm taking LeBron.
I'm taking the driving, dribbling, rebounding, more athletic, faster, passing, defender over the shooter who plays with hustle & is co-signed by another GOAT because they played each other every year in the Finals.
I remember reading earlier in this thread someone said, "Put Bird on last years Cavs team & they would of beat the Celtics"; yeah, my reply is put LeBron on the Lakers or Celtics in the 80's & they would of won until Jordan came through in the 90's.
If LeBron doesn't win this year, I'll retract any good thing I've had to say about him lol; when your odds in Vegas of winning at 7/4 & at the time only three players are signed to the roster, you know you have a legitmate contender. When your second best player is Mo Williams, there is trouble afoot lol.
Shallow:
--- Quote from: Chamillitary Click on September 05, 2010, 04:34:46 PM ---Look at that highlight reel "A" posted. Larry is shooting & passing & throwing a few punches; LeBron is less time, with less accolades probably has a more eye appealing highlight reel; from dunking, to blocking, to stealing.
& shuuuuutup with the rebounding. Larry was 6'10'', correct? LeBron is 6'8'' & can jump five feet off the ground; Larry isn't making up for that. Rebounding is controlled by using your body, which LeBron has EASILY has over Larry & jumping ability, which LeBron also has.
Bottom line, LeBron can out rebound anyone if he tried to; but more times than not, he's looking to lead the break.
Larry Bird would be nothing greater than Dirk in 2010 & I'm not even trying to make it out like Dirk is bad, he's an MVP winning, all-star. Bird's legacy is winning rings in the greatest basketball rivalry ever; legends will be made, but when you strip all the achievements it's a lot different.
--- Quote from: TheRemedy360 on September 05, 2010, 01:00:21 PM ---Different athletes in different eras, but it's obvious that LeBron is nowhere close to Bird in terms of achievements.
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That's probably the best way to sum it up; but if magically there was a draft tomorrow & I could pick any player in his prime & it was my pick & I had the choice of LeBron (who like A said, isn't even in his prime) or Larry, I'm taking LeBron.
I'm taking the driving, dribbling, rebounding, more athletic, faster, passing, defender over the shooter who plays with hustle & is co-signed by another GOAT because they played each other every year in the Finals.
I remember reading earlier in this thread someone said, "Put Bird on last years Cavs team & they would of beat the Celtics"; yeah, my reply is put LeBron on the Lakers or Celtics in the 80's & they would of won until Jordan came through in the 90's.
If LeBron doesn't win this year, I'll retract any good thing I've had to say about him lol; when your odds in Vegas of winning at 7/4 & at the time only three players are signed to the roster, you know you have a legitmate contender. When your second best player is Mo Williams, there is trouble afoot lol.
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I could care less about a highlight reel. Mike Vick's highlight reel would shit all over Joe Montana's. Who would you say is better? Larry's total career is about the same number of games as Dirk's current career. Larry has 1000 more FGs and 1000 less 3 point attempts. And if you watch you'll see how much his 3 point attempt average jumped as his knees started to go. Larry has about 2000 more rebounds than Dirk and double the assists. He also has 1000 more turnovers and double the steels. They're about even on points. But it's Larry by a mile.
I never said the 80s Celtics with Lebron wouldn't win, but no way are they winning every year until Jordan comes along. And if Larry never got hurt and Magic never got aids there may never have been a first 3-peat. In fact, I'm positive it wouldn't have happened. Lebron may very well become better in my eyes, but before he becomes the player Larry Bird was he has to become the man Larry Bird was, and his recent debacle shows he's got a lot of learning to do.
BOX5 the best poster on this site yell:
labron and his blocc'n hahaha, i can't believe anyone can think lebron is better then bird now, i mean fucc compare they first 7 years against each other and i'm not just talking bout stats,i'm talk'n bout making yo teamates way better,not being a quitter (lebron anyone),not having the most athletic ability but still whoopin ass,i hated bird cause he was a sellec but i always respected his skill yell
IFB Flood:
Don't make me laugh. LeBron don't comes close to Bird's greatness. He gotta develop a lot and prove himself even more. Bird was a better player and he had what he took to win. Hell, he made McHale and Parish legends, without him they would've been just great.
The 80's didn't have no athletes? Get the fuck outta here, the 80's NBA shits all over the new millennium NBA. Back then basketball was a men's sport, you had your shirt pulled, you'll catch elbows and so on, right now you get ejected if you touch the opponent with your pinky, fuck that, Bron would get checked on his way to the basket like crazy if he tried to do what he does now. And back then they actually got called for traveling. Bird played against some of the best on ball defenders ever once in a while, Bron is guarded by scrubs most of the time, he only catches some great defenders a few times. Bron in gotta develop his game if he wants to win and be a legend, right now or if he played in the 80's, what you think Jordan did?
Bird one steal shy away from a quadruple-double in the beginning of the 4th period, KC asked Bird if he wanted to play even with his team winning by 30, he said he already done enough damage. Sometimes he started to shoot with his left hand claiming he was tired of doing it with the right one. The players on Hawks bench were astonished falling of the bench after he dropped 60 on them with some ridiculous shots. In the finals he had 34 points and 17 rebounds against the Lakers while the court temperature was at 97 degrees. He had one of the best one game duels against Wilkins, they both went back and forth and Bird came out on top. I could go on forever, now you ignorants gotta watch him to really see the greatness.
Only thing Bron got over Bird is athleticism and everything that comes with it and we're talking about basketball here, it's not all about athleticism, if you don't have much more than that you ain't going down with the legends, Larry had sick skills. Larry would get the best out of Bron most of the times if they faced with similar teams. If he wants to be better than Bird he gotta develop much more and prove himself too. Right now, Bird got on him so don't give me that shit.
If anything Bird was overhyped by the white media but Jordan was even more, Bird played great with pneumonia, some other players did crazy shit too but when Jordan had the flu everybody knew and just talked about it. Yeah they were overhyped, not overrated.
I could do this shit for every player right now that people claim are better than some legends just because they didn't watch them play. Kids these days be killing me.
Chamillitary Click:
--- Quote from: IFB Flood on September 06, 2010, 02:58:12 PM ---Don't make me laugh. LeBron don't comes close to Bird's greatness.
I could do this shit for every player right now that people claim are better than some legends just because they didn't watch them play. Kids these days be killing me.
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That's about all I had to read.
"Greatness" & "legacy" have ZERO to do with being a better basketball player. I know what I'm about to say doesn't compare because he isn't great, but Robert Horry & Derek Fisher earned the title of "clutch" for hitting big shots in Playoff/Finals games. They recieve a certain level of "greatness" in the post-season; but FUCK what ESPN calls you in terms of "greatness", I'd take Steve Nash or Chris Paul over Derek Fisher even though they don't have the same level of "clutch" & "greatness" & "legacy".
& based on what you said after, you're clearly an older fella, who is caught up in this "When I was a youngster, I was watching the best. Fuck these new school kids thinking they can be compared to 'legends'". It's human nature to be in denial that better things have come & the new school is taking over. Just like if Kobe wins two more rings, older Lakers fans are still gunna call Magic the greatest Laker, because they were in the prime of their lives when Magic was in the prime of his career.
Same thing is going to go for today's new school; when we're older we're going to say "Fuck outta here, kiddo; Jordan & Kobe & Shaq & LeBron were the greatest".
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