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Quote from: The Bigg M-A-U on September 16, 2010, 03:19:34 PMThis is why rappers like T.I. will never make a great song.people that say this have clearly never heard a ti album. so what if he made some shit singles? he mad mad cash off them and he has proven time and time again he can do great punchline/storytelling/whatever kinda raps people consider 'lyrical'
This is why rappers like T.I. will never make a great song.
Quote from: The-Leak (aka) kingwell (bka) JULES on September 16, 2010, 11:15:27 PMQuote from: rapsodie sees the groupie in you on September 16, 2010, 07:16:35 PMQuote from: The-Leak (aka) kingwell (bka) JULES on September 16, 2010, 05:45:47 PMUsually with str8 lyricists, they have a hard trouble forming the idea of a song, with a hook and all that.What is your definition of a straight lyricist? How can a rapper be a great lyricist if they can't even conceive of good songs?Do you want to discuss Rick Ross? Speedin is a good song. Is it lyrical? No.Do you want to discuss 50 Cent? In Da Club is a good song. Is it lyrical? No.Do you want to discuss TI? Asap is a good song. Is it lyrical? No.Do you see my definition now? To me lyricism is punchlines and storylines. Something that a person like Joe Budden excels at. But on the other hand, his delivery can be stale and uninspiring, which is another big part of a good song.On the other hand, Method Man's punchlines and storylines may not be as strong, but his delivery creates such an energy on a track that you don't notice the shortcoming.Remember, lyrics (writing) is only one part of a song. You still have other elements like bring the lyrics to life with good charismatic vocals, a good beat selection, and good mixing of the over-all song.I would have to disagree with you that those are all good songs. And In Da Club is exactly what it is...a good party song. There's a pretty obvious difference between that and oh say this:I have said this time and time again. Punchlines don't make something lyrical. Punchlines are nothing more than jokes told through rhyme. Hell, punchlines don't even really exist outside of rap, so how can you use that to define what is lyrical when rap is only one out of many music genres which rely on lyrics?http://www.thefreedictionary.com/lyricalPunchlines CAN contribute to something being lyrical. But its not based on the punchlines themselves but whether they actually contribute to the AFFECT of the song. IE a random freestyle that says nothing is not lyrical.As far as Budden vs. Meth, I guess you could argue either way since both have released meaningful music. But you seem to be going about this lyricist thing the wrong way. Just wanted to clear that up.
Quote from: rapsodie sees the groupie in you on September 16, 2010, 07:16:35 PMQuote from: The-Leak (aka) kingwell (bka) JULES on September 16, 2010, 05:45:47 PMUsually with str8 lyricists, they have a hard trouble forming the idea of a song, with a hook and all that.What is your definition of a straight lyricist? How can a rapper be a great lyricist if they can't even conceive of good songs?Do you want to discuss Rick Ross? Speedin is a good song. Is it lyrical? No.Do you want to discuss 50 Cent? In Da Club is a good song. Is it lyrical? No.Do you want to discuss TI? Asap is a good song. Is it lyrical? No.Do you see my definition now? To me lyricism is punchlines and storylines. Something that a person like Joe Budden excels at. But on the other hand, his delivery can be stale and uninspiring, which is another big part of a good song.On the other hand, Method Man's punchlines and storylines may not be as strong, but his delivery creates such an energy on a track that you don't notice the shortcoming.Remember, lyrics (writing) is only one part of a song. You still have other elements like bring the lyrics to life with good charismatic vocals, a good beat selection, and good mixing of the over-all song.
Quote from: The-Leak (aka) kingwell (bka) JULES on September 16, 2010, 05:45:47 PMUsually with str8 lyricists, they have a hard trouble forming the idea of a song, with a hook and all that.What is your definition of a straight lyricist? How can a rapper be a great lyricist if they can't even conceive of good songs?
Usually with str8 lyricists, they have a hard trouble forming the idea of a song, with a hook and all that.
Quote from: SCREWFACE on September 17, 2010, 09:01:13 AMQuote from: The Bigg M-A-U on September 16, 2010, 03:19:34 PMThis is why rappers like T.I. will never make a great song.people that say this have clearly never heard a ti album. so what if he made some shit singles? he mad mad cash off them and he has proven time and time again he can do great punchline/storytelling/whatever kinda raps people consider 'lyrical'So T.I. has made amazing songs & Joe Budden can't? People's credibility on this board has gone down the drain.LOL, c'mon son. Show me any T.I. song you want & I'll post a Budden song that is miles ahead of it. T.I. can make "entertaining music", but nothing that rocks the brain. I'll take Joe Budden off pure lyrics & "shitty flow & delivery" over T.I. rapping off pure charisma lol.
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Quote from: Chamillitary Click on September 17, 2010, 02:34:11 PMQuote from: SCREWFACE on September 17, 2010, 09:01:13 AMQuote from: The Bigg M-A-U on September 16, 2010, 03:19:34 PMThis is why rappers like T.I. will never make a great song.people that say this have clearly never heard a ti album. so what if he made some shit singles? he mad mad cash off them and he has proven time and time again he can do great punchline/storytelling/whatever kinda raps people consider 'lyrical'So T.I. has made amazing songs & Joe Budden can't? People's credibility on this board has gone down the drain.LOL, c'mon son. Show me any T.I. song you want & I'll post a Budden song that is miles ahead of it. T.I. can make "entertaining music", but nothing that rocks the brain. I'll take Joe Budden off pure lyrics & "shitty flow & delivery" over T.I. rapping off pure charisma lol.dude shut the fuck up, i have nothing to prove to you. you are a lame ass joe budden stan that brings him into conversation in every thread. JOE BEEZY GOT BARS FOR DAYS LEMME PROVE HOW HE BETTER THAN ANY RAPPER OUT THERE = you in every thread
Punchlines do make something lyrical. I suggest you start listening to the punchlines and take notice of artists that have actual clever and intelligent ones. They are more lyrical than the weak sauce ones.
You can't argue Budden vs Meth. Budden is light years ahead of Meth as a writer. Meth is the better rapper tho. You get Budden to ghostwrite for Meth and Meth is twice as good as he woulda been.
The ability to create a good song has nothing to do with being lyrical, it has to do with being a good musician. This is evident in Rock music, where the lyrics are very generic but the melodies and actual vocals make the song good. Sometimes it's better to be vague and not as "wordy" in a song. You don't need to be lyrical to make it work.
Quote from: The-Leak (aka) kingwell (bka) JULES on September 17, 2010, 07:21:15 PMYou can't argue Budden vs Meth. Budden is light years ahead of Meth as a writer. Meth is the better rapper tho. You get Budden to ghostwrite for Meth and Meth is twice as good as he woulda been.LMAO. You lose major credibility with this assertion.
Quote from: The-Leak (aka) kingwell (bka) JULES on September 17, 2010, 07:21:15 PMPunchlines do make something lyrical. I suggest you start listening to the punchlines and take notice of artists that have actual clever and intelligent ones. They are more lyrical than the weak sauce ones.Not at all. Again, they are just jokes, why would that in itself a rhyme lyrical? And they are practically nonexistant outside of hip hop. Being a lyricist is the same idea, whether its hip hop or any other genre.Btw, just out of curiosity. Would you define a rapper like Nas as a great lyricist? He barely even uses punchlines and sometimes his words don't even rhyme. But yet he's considered one of rap's premier lyricists by many people. What about Chuck D? Quote from: The-Leak (aka) kingwell (bka) JULES on September 17, 2010, 07:21:15 PMYou can't argue Budden vs Meth. Budden is light years ahead of Meth as a writer. Meth is the better rapper tho. You get Budden to ghostwrite for Meth and Meth is twice as good as he woulda been.LMAO. You lose major credibility with this assertion.Quote from: The-Leak (aka) kingwell (bka) JULES on September 17, 2010, 07:21:15 PMThe ability to create a good song has nothing to do with being lyrical, it has to do with being a good musician. This is evident in Rock music, where the lyrics are very generic but the melodies and actual vocals make the song good. Sometimes it's better to be vague and not as "wordy" in a song. You don't need to be lyrical to make it work.You clearly don't know the meaning of the word lyricist. Its a SONG. This is MUSIC we are listening to. Punchlines by themselves do not make something lyrical. Its whether they contribute to the purpose of the song that makes it lyrical. And I have to laugh at someone who calls rock music generic. With that statement I would be very surprised if you even listen to any genres outside of rap.
Quote from: SCREWFACE on September 18, 2010, 06:36:05 AMQuote from: Chamillitary Click on September 17, 2010, 02:34:11 PMQuote from: SCREWFACE on September 17, 2010, 09:01:13 AMQuote from: The Bigg M-A-U on September 16, 2010, 03:19:34 PMThis is why rappers like T.I. will never make a great song.people that say this have clearly never heard a ti album. so what if he made some shit singles? he mad mad cash off them and he has proven time and time again he can do great punchline/storytelling/whatever kinda raps people consider 'lyrical'So T.I. has made amazing songs & Joe Budden can't? People's credibility on this board has gone down the drain.LOL, c'mon son. Show me any T.I. song you want & I'll post a Budden song that is miles ahead of it. T.I. can make "entertaining music", but nothing that rocks the brain. I'll take Joe Budden off pure lyrics & "shitty flow & delivery" over T.I. rapping off pure charisma lol.dude shut the fuck up, i have nothing to prove to you. you are a lame ass joe budden stan that brings him into conversation in every thread. JOE BEEZY GOT BARS FOR DAYS LEMME PROVE HOW HE BETTER THAN ANY RAPPER OUT THERE = you in every threadLOL, way to look like you just got shut down by dodging my point. Take the quick L, fam.Post the great T.I. song, Mau called him out on it too. You're replies have been straight up immature lmfao.